General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[scaredeycat]

No. To virtually nobody. The mortality rate is 0.1%. The average age of covid death exceeds Australian life expectancy. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in end of life care (where a third of occupants die in a given year). This virus presents no greater risk to the general community than the countless others we’ve had for years (and never hear a word about). The hysteria really needs to stop.

I saw a previously perfectly healthy lady in her 50s today. Avid bushwalker, no medications, non smoker. She contracted covid in January and has been struggling with chest pain and breathlessness until the last week or so. Only just able to return to part time work. Heart rate had been well over 100 just walking from lounge room to bedroom. I'm sure that she has been reassured by your assertion that the pandemic is simply hysteria. Plenty of patients just like her seeing cardiologists all over Australia. Don't assume that you are immune.

 

[N860CR]

I saw a previously perfectly healthy lady in her 50s today. Avid bushwalker, no medications, non smoker. She contracted covid in January and has been struggling with chest pain and breathlessness until the last week or so. Only just able to return to part time work. Heart rate had been well over 100 just walking from lounge room to bedroom. I'm sure that she has been reassured by your assertion that the pandemic is simply hysteria. Plenty of patients just like her seeing cardiologists all over Australia. Don't assume that you are immune.

And plenty of examples of the same could be given for any range of illnesses. Had the word “covid” not been uttered, nobody would have bat an eyelid.

0.1% mortality rate. Virtually every single person in this country “infected”. We’re not dropping like flies, nor are people suffering on a large scale.

Perspective has well and truly been lost. Amazing how many people just buy what’s sold to them by tabloid media

 

[drron]

I saw a previously perfectly healthy lady in her 50s today. Avid bushwalker, no medications, non smoker. She contracted covid in January and has been struggling with chest pain and breathlessness until the last week or so. Only just able to return to part time work. Heart rate had been well over 100 just walking from lounge room to bedroom. I'm sure that she has been reassured by your assertion that the pandemic is simply hysteria. Plenty of patients just like her seeing cardiologists all over Australia. Don't assume that you are immune.

So had your lady had myocarditis from Covid which does occur. Important for her to know due to the risk of it being caused by the vaccines.

 

[scaredeycat]

So had your lady had myocarditis from Covid which does occur. Important for her to know due to the risk of it being caused by the vaccines.

Normal echo, so no. Clinically probably had pleuropericarditis. Vaccine associated myocarditis more likely in young males.

 

[scaredeycat]

And plenty of examples of the same could be given for any range of illnesses. Had the word “covid” not been uttered, nobody would have bat an eyelid.

0.1% mortality rate. Virtually every single person in this country “infected”. We’re not dropping like flies, nor are people suffering on a large scale.

Perspective has well and truly been lost. Amazing how many people just buy what’s sold to them by tabloid media

What you choose to ignore is that this sort of clinical presentation was very uncommon prior to 2020. Cardiologists are seeing these patients every day now. They're not malingerers. The tabloid media has not been telling the story. But sure, continue to believe that Covid hasn't caused suffering on a large scale. The cynic in me might say that it has (like smoking) been good for business.

 

[tgh]

This thread continues to deliver entertainment and education as one poster continues to produce inflammatory rubbish and calm rational minds help us all to see the whole picture more clearly.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So had your lady had myocarditis from Covid which does occur. Important for her to know due to the risk of it being caused by the vaccines.

This message is confusing. Myocarditis could have been avoided if she did not get the vaccine? what is the alternative?

 

[Princess Fiona]

There are 2 other problems with masks I have found with masks on this trip. First facial ID doesn’t work on my iPhone and also every time I take my mask off I pull out my hearing aids.

Has worked on mine for months with iOS 15.4
Never need to remove it for Face ID.
You can adjust it in your settings.

 

[drron]

This message is confusing. Myocarditis could have been avoided if she did not get the vaccine? what is the alternative?

No. Myocarditis may be caused by infection or the vaccine. But if you have had it before you need to be careful about the vaccine and get medical advice.
PS -a normal echo doesn’t exclude myocarditis.

 

[N860CR]

What you choose to ignore is that this sort of clinical presentation was very uncommon prior to 2020. Cardiologists are seeing these patients every day now. They're not malingerers. The tabloid media has not been telling the story. But sure, continue to believe that Covid hasn't caused suffering on a large scale. The cynic in me might say that it has (like smoking) been good for business.

So what would you like done?

 

[scaredeycat]

So what would you like done?

Well it might help if people like yourself who are keen to minimise the impact of the disease just take a moment to reflect on the fact that death is not the only price being paid by those struck down by an extremely unpleasant and often disabling condition. Yes, I get that the effect on business has been substantial, yes, I get that lockdowns have caused mental anguish. And yes, I acknowledge that the freedom to travel that we enjoyed in the not too distant past has been severely curtailed. But to maintain that public health measures taken during what amounts to the most serious pandemic of our times has been some sort of conspiracy, a grab for power or just mismanagement by health professionals is in my view dangerously deluded and misinformed. Frankly I find it offensive, and so do many of my colleagues who are at the frontline.

 

[N860CR]

Well it might help if people like yourself who are keen to minimise the impact of the disease just take a moment to reflect on the fact that death is not the only price being paid by those struck down by an extremely unpleasant and often disabling condition. Yes, I get that the effect on business has been substantial, yes, I get that lockdowns have caused mental anguish. And yes, I acknowledge that the freedom to travel that we enjoyed in the not too distant past has been severely curtailed. But to maintain that public health measures taken during what amounts to the most serious pandemic of our times has been some sort of conspiracy, a grab for power or just mismanagement by health professionals is in my view dangerously deluded and misinformed. Frankly I find it offensive, and so do many of my colleagues who are at the frontline.

And what would those public health measures be?

I also “worked on the front line” and feel privileged that I didn’t have to go a day without being paid because of government overreach. I feel for those who don’t have the same privilege. I think a lot of those “on the front line” forget that, and nobody was asked to do anything above their job.

 

[drron]

I was on the front line. The last ward I was in charge of was the overflow ward for Covid. Though only 1 of the people died with the death certificate said died of Covid even though it was with Covid as he had been discharged 4 days before as he and his wife wanted a few days at home before being admitted to the palliative care ward. Not only did he have cancer but severe renal and heart failure. After his wife dropped him off at the hospital she went to her GP to get the result of her PCR. It was positive as was his the next morning. He was 91.

Now during the course of my 52 year career I watched helplessly as a 16 year old girl died of SSPE a complication of measles.
Also a woman in her 40s other wise healthy die of liver failure from Hep A.
More recently a 24 year old pregnant woman die with influenza A.

I’m sorry but I don’t see why Covid has been so different in our response. Lockdowns especially as I have seen several who have died due to lockdown. Some because of late diagnosis of their cancer and some because they were lost to follow up. Heart, diabetes and renal failure amongst others.

More heart wrenching were young people with disabilities who had been doing well at home or in a care home who lost all support. A couple ending up in a nursing home.

Not to mention older folk with dementia who had copied well but when family and friends stopped visiting they quickly went down hill.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And what would those public health measures be?

I also “worked on the front line” and feel privileged that I didn’t have to go a day without being paid because of government overreach. I feel for those who don’t have the same privilege. I think a lot of those “on the front line” forget that, and nobody was asked to do anything above their job.

But if there is genuine concern for those who ‘don’t have the same privilege’, why aren’t we taking precautions to stop the spread to help those people? We don’t know if we are infected for 1-3 days, but some say they won’t wear a mask and will visit shops or take public transport in the meantime. Where is the care about those they could infect and who have to take time off work, unpaid?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I was on the front line. The last ward I was in charge of was the overflow ward for Covid. Though only 1 of the people died with the death certificate said died of Covid even though it was with Covid as he had been discharged 4 days before as he and his wife wanted a few days at home before being admitted to the palliative care ward. Not only did he have cancer but severe renal and heart failure. After his wife dropped him off at the hospital she went to her GP to get the result of her PCR. It was positive as was his the next morning. He was 91.

Now during the course of my 52 year career I watched helplessly as a 16 year old girl died of SSPE a complication of measles.
Also a woman in her 40s other wise healthy die of liver failure from Hep A.
More recently a 24 year old pregnant woman die with influenza A.

I’m sorry but I don’t see why Covid has been so different in our response. Lockdowns especially as I have seen several who have died due to lockdown. Some because of late diagnosis of their cancer and some because they were lost to follow up. Heart, diabetes and renal failure amongst others.

More heart wrenching were young people with disabilities who had been doing well at home or in a care home who lost all support. A couple ending up in a nursing home.

Not to mention older folk with dementia who had copied well but when family and friends stopped visiting they quickly went down hill.

Which medical staff are going to be doing the diagnosis when they are at home isolating because they have covid for the second or third time? My friend is a nurse and has had covid twice, plus number of other periods of isolation because of being a close contact.

 

[drron]

Which medical staff are going to be doing the diagnosis when they are at home isolating because they have covid for the second or third time? My friend is a nurse and has had covid twice, plus number of other periods of isolation because of being a close contact.

Irrelevant.
I see you are still wanting to insist on all of us wearing masks. I have previously asked you to provide a good study showing that that will prevent the spread. You have only suggested very poor studies and conjecture. But in the real world countries such as Japan ,Taiwan and South Korea which all have a mask wearing culture have all recently had record numbers of cases yet in Africa where it is unusual for people to wear a mask there are significantly fewer cases that the rest of the world.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Irrelevant.
I see you are still wanting to insist on all of us wearing masks. I have previously asked you to provide a good study showing that that will prevent the spread. You have only suggested very poor studies and conjecture. But in the real world countries such as Japan ,Taiwan and South Korea which all have a mask wearing culture have all recently had record numbers of cases yet in Africa where it is unusual for people to wear a mask there are significantly fewer cases that the rest of the world.

I have relied on your advice, ie that masks can help prevent transmission by an infected person. Which of course is the same advice as the majority of your colleagues in the medical profession.

 

[oznflfan]

I have relied on your advice, ie that masks can help prevent transmission by an infected person. Which of course is the same advice as the majority of your colleagues in the medical profession.

Hate face masks with a passion. Flew Qatar to LHR last month never wore once, plane prob 50/50 masked.

 

[drron]

I have relied on your advice, ie that masks can help prevent transmission by an infected person. Which of course is the same advice as the majority of your colleagues in the medical profession.

But that is a different thing from requiring people to wear a mask so they don’t get infected.At the height of the QLD numbers there were 5000 new case’s per week. 0.1 of the population.
So you insist on 1000 people wearing a mask because 1 might have Covid?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But that is a different thing from requiring people to wear a mask so they don’t get infected.At the height of the QLD numbers there were 5000 new case’s per week. 0.1 of the population.
So you insist on 1000 people wearing a mask because 1 might have Covid?

It really is no different than seat belts. We expect everyone to wear them when they might be if use once in every 10,000 car journeys? Or maybe even more rare than that?

It’s a matter of number… if it was just 1 person infected no need for everyone to wear a mask. But multiply that by the number of people in a city, and the R number, and you start to get more scale.

The efficacy of masks to prevent catching covid is not what we’re talking about… it’s those who are infected wearing a mask to help stop the spread. And most people aren’t going to know for 1-3 days.