General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Pushka]

Have to wear a mask and eat and drink in Public?

 

[Princess Fiona]

And in news that will surprise nobody
UK Increased Covid Spread by Subsidizing Diners

“The government spent £500 million ($647 million) subsidizing the cost of restaurant meals and non-alcoholic drinks by as much as 50% in August, even after evidence had emerged that Covid-19 could easily spread in hospitality settings, a studyfrom the University of Warwick found”


Meanwhile they are paying 18 year olds working for Serco minimum wage to do contact tracing

 

[drron]

Lockdowns and Europe.
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And yet another pronouncement from a WHO official.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Probably not feasible for Australia given our current low levels ofCOVID at present, but an interesting process

Slovakia tested most of the country in two days. Here's how they did it and what they found | CNN

As countries around the world struggle to scale up their coronavirus testing, Slovakia managed to test more than 3.6 million people -- two thirds of its population -- in just two days.

edition.cnn.com

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere? But the legal challenge against Melbourne's curfew was thrown out. Judge found it was legal, and proportionate to the risk it was trying to address.

 

[drron]

And in Germany people are suing the Government for having to pay part of the costs for Repatriation flights.The cost seems reasonable to me.

Some German Citizens Are Now Suing The Government Over Costs For Repatriation Flights

German Government seeking payments for repatriation charter flights.

loyaltylobby.com

 

[Flashback]

Wales going into full lockdown from Mon Nov 9 until Fri 19 Feb. Will be interesting to see what England ends up doing, ours expires on Dec 2 and will be reassessed then but this doesn't bode well.....

 

[Pushka]

Wales going into full lockdown from Mon Nov 9 until Fri 19 Feb. Will be interesting to see what England ends up doing, ours expires on Dec 2 and will be reassessed then but this doesn't bode well.....

My god. How distressing for them. So damn long!

 

[tgh]

There was a modicum of Brouhaha on AFF over the quantum of the Governments suppression strategy.
Many argued that a more open and less invasive process would have been ok and that infection numbers would have been manageable.
Events in Europe and elsewhere seem to indicate that even relatively low infection tolerance tolerance leads to uncontrollable spread rates.
All this reminds me of Neville Shutes novel.. On the beach..
We may be about to suffer a Covid winter instead of the much feared Nuclear winter

 

[trevella]

Wales going into full lockdown from Mon Nov 9 until Fri 19 Feb.

Do you have any source for this claim?

 

[drron]

There was a modicum of Brouhaha on AFF over the quantum of the Governments suppression strategy.
Many argued that a more open and less invasive process would have been ok and that infection numbers would have been manageable.
Events in Europe and elsewhere seem to indicate that even relatively low infection tolerance tolerance leads to uncontrollable spread rates.
All this reminds me of Neville Shutes novel.. On the beach..
We may be about to suffer a Covid winter instead of the much feared Nuclear winter

Sorry but many of those countries with rapidly escalating numbers are in full lockdown
Taiwan with much better results than us has done so without ever going into full lockdown.
You need to get the basics right-excellent contact tracing and quarantine measures,hand washing and social distancing with mask wearing if indoors and outdoors if in large groups but not when when alone or when appropriate social distancing is possible.Plus protect the susceptible populations.

And in Europe it is a true second wave.the virus has mutated and the new mutation is much more infective.Which is why our hotel quarantine for those coming from OS needs to be perfect even for the rich,celebs and sports people.

 

[tgh]

Gosh you write some tripe.. do you actually read stuff others post or does your confirmation bias rule you completely ?

Sorry but many of those countries with rapidly escalating numbers are in full lockdown
This is tripe…the current escalation was the cause of further lockdown after the economies were allowed to open up again.......sheesh...

Taiwan with much better results than us has done so without ever going into full lockdown.
You need to get the basics right-excellent contact tracing and quarantine measures,hand washing and social distancing with mask wearing if indoors and outdoors if in large groups but not when when alone or when appropriate social distancing is possible.Plus protect the susceptible populations.

I don't need to get anything right, but opine that the kind of social disciplines that may have allowed Taiwan to do very well is quite unachievable in Australia.
Our citizens have rights.. and entitlements.. and can make their own decisions about stuff without big brothers instructions…...
You want an open economy while enforcing masks, locking up the aged , and all the rest of the misery.. try selling that to the average joe...

 

[Flashback]

Do you have any source for this claim?

Sure!

The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 4) (Wales) Regulations 2020

Part 2A of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 enables the Welsh Ministers, by regulations, to make provision for the purpose of preventing, protecting against, controlling or providing a public health response to the incidence or spread of infection or contamination in Wales.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Flashback]

Gosh you write some tripe.. do you actually read stuff others post or does your confirmation bias rule you completely ?

Sorry but many of those countries with rapidly escalating numbers are in full lockdown
This is tripe…the current escalation was the cause of further lockdown after the economies were allowed to open up again.......sheesh...

Taiwan with much better results than us has done so without ever going into full lockdown.
You need to get the basics right-excellent contact tracing and quarantine measures,hand washing and social distancing with mask wearing if indoors and outdoors if in large groups but not when when alone or when appropriate social distancing is possible.Plus protect the susceptible populations.

I don't need to get anything right, but opine that the kind of social disciplines that may have allowed Taiwan to do very well is quite unachievable in Australia.
Our citizens have rights.. and entitlements.. and can make their own decisions about stuff without big brothers instructions…...
You want an open economy while enforcing masks, locking up the aged , and all the rest of the misery.. try selling that to the average joe...

When I was in Taiwan in December, lots of people were already wearing masks. We caught quite a few trains while there and as soon as you heard a single cough there was an automated announcement to remind people to wear masks and/or not travel if feeling unwell... Just saying.

 

[RooFlyer]

I don't need to get anything right, but opine that the kind of social disciplines that may have allowed Taiwan to do very well is quite unachievable in Australia.
Our citizens have rights.. and entitlements.. and can make their own decisions about stuff without big brothers instructions…...
You want an open economy while enforcing masks, locking up the aged , and all the rest of the misery.. try selling that to the average joe...

Ahem. Victoria?

 

[OZDUCK]

Amongst the Sturm und Drang in the U.S the daily total of new cases has just quietly crept above 120,000.

Covid-19 cases in U.S. break record for second day in a row

A total of 120,048 people tested positive Thursday, nearly 16,000 more than were reported Wednesday, according to NBC News tallies.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[drron]

So tgh you wrote this.
This is tripe…the current escalation was the cause of further lockdown after the economies were allowed to open up again.......sheesh...

But I presume you missed this point.
"And in Europe it is a true second wave.the virus has mutated and the new mutation is much more infective."Far be it for me to suggest it doesn't confirm your point.
The escalation now is probably due to a more infective mutation rather than the fact the countries weren't in lockdown.Many are now of the opinion hard lockdowns are counter productive.

Our citizens have rights.. and entitlements.. and can make their own decisions about stuff without big brothers instructions…...
You want an open economy while enforcing masks, locking up the aged , and all the rest of the misery.. try selling that to the average joe...

Sorry but I would prefer the rights I preserve under the Taiwan system rather than the Victorian system.Besides those Victorian restrictions were sold to an awful lot of ordinary citizens.
And I didn't say lock up the aged but they should immediately have access to appropriate PPE.Restrict visitors but allow visits with appropriate precautions unlike the total stopping of visits that was done here.Too cruel.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Sure!

The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 4) (Wales) Regulations 2020

Part 2A of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 enables the Welsh Ministers, by regulations, to make provision for the purpose of preventing, protecting against, controlling or providing a public health response to the incidence or spread of infection or contamination in Wales.

www.legislation.gov.uk

If I have read that right it is to give them the ability to have those measures for that time period, rather than they will be in place for the entire duration. It also has some fixed review dates locked into it.

Part 1 provides that these Regulations come into force on 9 November 2020 and must be reviewed by 19 November, at least once in the period from 20 November to 3 December, at least once in the period from 4 December to 17 December, and at least every 21 days after that. It also provides that unless the Regulations are revoked or amended before then, they expire on 19 February 2021.

 

[Flashback]

If I have read that right it is to give them the ability to have those measures for that time period, rather than they will be in place for the entire duration. It also has some fixed review dates locked into it.

Part 1 provides that these Regulations come into force on 9 November 2020 and must be reviewed by 19 November, at least once in the period from 20 November to 3 December, at least once in the period from 4 December to 17 December, and at least every 21 days after that. It also provides that unless the Regulations are revoked or amended before then, they expire on 19 February 2021.

Yes that is true, but given the lack of impact from the 2 week circuit breaker they had I take a bit more of a pessimistic view and look at the worst case date rather than the (unlikely) better case date. Lockdown 1.0 had similar and ended up going on for a long time even with fixed review dates...

 

[tgh]

More confirmation bias RooFlyer….. reading something different to the common english meaning of what I write ?
Victoria successfully locked down as a necessary short term measure.
What the good doctor proposes is minimal social and business restrictions and some kind of utopian ppi regime where everyone cruises around in a fog of rampant infection but remains uninfected by wearing a mask, washing hands and keeping social distance…..