General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Lynda2475]

Which is false. Not every vaccine recipient got emailed surveys.

Well I know in NSW everyone who provided their email address (which you needed to do to book a vaccine appointmernt) got the survey. Maybe some people didnt check their spam folders.

You're reaching.

Nope the surveys specifically stated that responses would be shared.

As often the case with people who have a closed mind: avoid the debate, become emotional, and label everything they disagree with a conspiracy theory.

LOL Im not emotional and havent avoided debating, however you have demonstrated you are incapable of understanding the data re vaccine deaths, it is only 11, you just wont admit you are wrong and your claims re vaccine risk are dubious and not supported by the data.

You are entitled to be an antivaxer, but disagreeing with you doesnt make one close minded. I am completely comfortable with my chocie to be vaccinated, I researched options, chose to avoid AZ and go with MRNA, side effects were minimal and fleeting.

 

[cwphoto]

Nope the surveys specifically stated that responses would be shared.

So the survey said that if you share that you had a vaccine reaction that it would be counted in the DAEN?

Can you share it?

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Well I know in NSW everyone who provided their email address (which you needed to do to book a vaccine appointmernt) got the survey. Maybe some people didnt check their spam folders.

So those that didn't go to the government clinics didn't?

Which means not everyone who gets vaxxed gets a survey right?

 

[cwphoto]

LOL Im not emotional and havent avoided debating, however you have demonstrated you are incapable of understanding the data re vaccine deaths, it is only 11, you just wont admit you are wrong and your claims re vaccine risk are dubious and not supported by the data.

It may or may not be only 11 - no autopsy was solicited so we don't know with any degree of certainty.

TGA concludes 11, I'm just suggesting that it's not necessarily a reliable conclusion.

Nothing I have claimed is unsupported by data.

 

[cwphoto]

LOL Im not emotional and havent avoided debating,

Your language in this debate suggests otherwise.

 

[Pushka]

It may or may not be only 11 - no autopsy was solicited so we don't know with any degree of certainty.

TGA concludes 11, I'm just suggesting that it's not necessarily a reliable conclusion.

Nothing I have claimed is unsupported by data.

And conversely, neither are your claims supported. One could claim someone who died from cancer the day after the vaccination and in your plan be counted as a death from vaccination.

 

[cwphoto]

And conversely, neither are your claims supported. One could claim someone who died from cancer the day after the vaccination and in your plan be counted as a death from vaccination.

In my plan? Where did I say that?

 

[Lynda2475]

So the survey said that if you share that you had a vaccine reaction that it would be counted in the DAEN?

DAEN is part of the TGA. In all states and territories, except Tasmania, it is preferable that reporting of AEFI for National Immunisation Program (NIP) vaccines is done via the local health authority, which then sends the report to the TGA. In Tasmania, an AEFI needs to be directly reported to the TGA.

The offical covid surveys are run by AusVaxSafety which is a national collaborative vaccine safety surveillance system led by NCIRS and funded by the Australian Government Department of Health. It expands on and enhances Australia’s established passive AEFI surveillance system to monitor the safety of vaccines through four components:

• active surveillance
• clinical assessment network
• hospital surveillance
• population-based safety investigation using linked data.

https://ausvaxsafety.org.au/our-work/national-vaccine-safety-surveillance

Your language in this debate suggests otherwise.

LOL your have quite the imagination, haven not used any emotional language whatsoever. You are however twisting data and insuating that govenrment programs admistering the vaccines are not properly reporting to DAEN.

 

[Pushka]

In my plan? Where did I say that?

Frame of reference then. I'll leave it at that.

 

[drron]

As has been said many times correlation does not mean causation.

 

[Quickstatus]

Nurses say they are at breaking point

Not any longer. But I do agree that "bed capacity" does not necessarily = Covid capacity because the covid workflow causes inefficiencies that result in "effective" beds to be less.

Patients waiting for elective surgery

Lots of elective surgery happening now

The government says we are all coping well.

Yes, we are coping very well - message from a hospital coalface

resources are tied up with covid

Nope. See the modelling below
The actual for NSW in this weekend is about 1500 hospital and 70 ICU - basically with extremely high levels of vaccinations, vaccinated people are still getting infected. = time to move on
The peak for NSW in Jan never went above 3000 hospital and 200 ICU

 

[drron]

The world's death rate from Covid is the lowest in 2 years.

 

[Quickstatus]

Some fairly serious side-effects

Oh dear are we still on this?.

Suspected association is not associated

 

[cwphoto]

Oh dear are we still on this?.

Suspected association is not associated

Like deaths from Covid? No association either?

 

[Quickstatus]

association

Again, just because an adverse event occurs does not mean it is assumed to be due to the medicine. Nevertheless, reporting is encouraged. You don’t need a survey, the mechanisms are already in place for reporting.

This one was discussed at one of our meetings.

Elderly female got booster.
Went home.
Then went out shopping.
On way to car tripped and fell
Fractured pelvis.
Died a week later
Daughter blaming the jab.

Death due to booster?

Or this actual patient:
Young fella got 2nd mRNA jab. A week later got abdominal pain. This went on for several days - pain waxed and waned. Parents worried he got a reaction to the jab. The surgeons took out an infected appendix. Parents did think that the Covid jab put in train the events that lead to appendicitis and are blaming the jab.

Or this one:
Young fella got booster and Then Covid positive 3 months ago. Then developed unexplained abdominal pain. All scans and investigations negative. Still has pain. Parents are blaming the Jab.

Basically all 3 can be reported to TGA - and when it’s reported will be 3 adverse events .

 

[Quickstatus]

because govenrments have solicted feedback by emailing every recipient multiple surveys post covid jab,

No, they were not. So far I have asked 8 colleagues who had the jabs from NSW Health. None got an email survey. Have yet to find someone with an email survey.
…..

 

[Lynda2475]

No, they were not. So far I have asked 8 colleagues who had the jabs from NSW Health. None got an email survey. Have yet to find someone with an email survey

They must have opted out when they booked online (or it went to spam), because everyone i know received it by email or sms. I posted link earlier to the details and it was national survey and is ongoing.

 

[cwphoto]

Again, just because an adverse event occurs does not mean it is assumed to be due to the medicine. Nevertheless, reporting is encouraged. You don’t need a survey, the mechanisms are already in place for reporting.

This one was discussed at one of our meetings.

Elderly female got booster.
Went home.
Then went out shopping.
On way to car tripped and fell
Fractured pelvis.
Died a week later
Daughter blaming the jab.

Death due to booster?

Or this actual patient:
Young fella got 2nd mRNA jab. A week later got abdominal pain. This went on for several days - pain waxed and waned. Parents worried he got a reaction to the jab. The surgeons took out an infected appendix. Parents did think that the Covid jab put in train the events that lead to appendicitis and are blaming the jab.

Or this one:
Young fella got booster and Then Covid positive 3 months ago. Then developed unexplained abdominal pain. All scans and investigations negative. Still has pain. Parents are blaming the Jab.

Basically all 3 can be reported to TGA - and when it’s reported will be 3 adverse events .

Same logic for Covid deaths.

 

[Pushka]

No, they were not. So far I have asked 8 colleagues who had the jabs from NSW Health. None got an email survey. Have yet to find someone with an email survey.
…..

I received just one from four vaccinations, the Moderna one. Which was done at a Terry White Chemist. The other three were done in a Government centre and a doctor's surgery.

After your COVID-19 vaccination​ COVID‑19 vaccine side effects​ After receiving any vaccine, you may experience minor side effects. Most side effects are mild and last no more than a few days. Common reactions to COVID-19 vaccinations include:​ a sore arm headache low level fever muscle pain chills tiredness, or joint pain. You can use the COVID‑19 vaccine side effects symptom checker if you have concerns about any symptoms after your vaccine. The checker is also available through the National Coronavirus Helpline, 1800 020 080, 24 hours a day.​ Who to contact​ You can ask your doctor for specific advice about side effects.​ If you think a COVID-19 vaccine has caused a side effect, you can report it. Reports of suspected side effects help the TGA monitor COVID-19 vaccine safety.​ Your vaccination clinic can report side effects to the Therapeutic Goods Administration your behalf, or you can report your side effects yourself. Visit the TGA website to find out how.​ Post vaccination resources​ The Department of Health has developed resources about what you can expect after your vaccination. You can access these resources at the Department of Health website.​ Learn about COVID-19 vaccines Learn about the Pfizer (Cominarty) COVID-19 vaccine Learn about the Moderna (Spikevax) COVID-19 vaccine Learn about the Novavax (Nuvaxovid) COVID-19 vaccine Learn about the AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) COVID-19 vaccine Translated versions of these resources are available as well as Easy Read versions.​ More information​ After your COVID-19 vaccination, it is important that you continue to protect those around you by:​ washing your hands regularly with soap and water keeping 1.5m from others making sure the COVIDSafe app is active on your phone staying informed about local restrictions

 

[Quickstatus]

Covid deaths

What is a "Covid death"?

Here is another one:
elderly lady otherwise well
covid positive
Isolating at home 3 days
No more than a cough

Then fell and fractured 5 ribs
Came to hospital
Deteriorated
Did not want to be onto ventilator
Succumbed

Is this a Covid death?

 

[Quickstatus]

They must have opted out when they booked online (or it went to spam)

Have checked again - neither opt out and nothing in spam
Not a criticism, but probably an indicator that the system not perfect in the context of a rapid multisite mass vaccination program