General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Flashback]

What is a "Covid death"?

Here is another one:
elderly lady otherwise well
covid positive
Isolating at home 3 days
No more than a cough

Then fell and fractured 5 ribs
Came to hospital
Deteriorated
Did not want to be onto ventilator
Succumbed

Is this a Covid death?

According to records yes. Stupid, right?

 

[andye]

What is a "Covid death"?

Here is another one:
elderly lady otherwise well
covid positive
Isolating at home 3 days
No more than a cough

Then fell and fractured 5 ribs
Came to hospital
Deteriorated
Did not want to be onto ventilator
Succumbed

Is this a Covid death?

In UK yes but probably not in Australia. Does depend how the death cert is filled out and whether the treating team felt she was delirious causing the fall

Coronavirus (COVID-19) case numbers and statistics

This page provides updates about the current situation, latest case numbers and related information. It is updated every day by 9 pm AEST and reflects the previous 24 hours.

www.health.gov.au

 

[Flashback]

In UK yes but probably not in Australia. Does depend how the death cert is filled out and whether the treating team felt she was delirious causing the fall

Coronavirus (COVID-19) case numbers and statistics

This page provides updates about the current situation, latest case numbers and related information. It is updated every day by 9 pm AEST and reflects the previous 24 hours.

www.health.gov.au

Yes and then you get this.

 

[Pushka]

Yes and then you get this.

Damn. Let's hope it's a mild one then. Take care.

I've wondered. When it's a positive, does that bottom red line appear as the colour moves up the test stick or does it develop later?

 

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Damn. Let's hope it's a mild one then. Take care.

I've wondered. When it's a positive, does that bottom red line appear as the colour moves up the test stick or does it develop later?

It just adds to the rubbish of the past 24 hours. At least i have a clear path. Reminds me, need to finish writing the note for Mrs FB.

 

[JohnM]

Damn. Let's hope it's a mild one then. Take care.

I've wondered. When it's a positive, does that bottom red line appear as the colour moves up the test stick or does it develop later?

My (saliva) RAT on Monday had both lines equally red after a few minutes and that's how it stayed permanently.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Damn. Let's hope it's a mild one then. Take care.

I've wondered. When it's a positive, does that bottom red line appear as the colour moves up the test stick or does it develop later?

Develops, usually. Hence the recommended 15 minute wait for a result.

 

[Quickstatus]

depend how the death cert is filled out

It was put in death cert under “significant conditions” because she was symptomatic - cough.

However the ABS/health dept takes all mentions of “Covid19” whether direct or antecedent cause or not directly related “significant condition” as a Covid death

 

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Note written. Good luck guys.

 

[Quickstatus]

When it's a positive, does that bottom red line appear as the colour moves up the test stick or does it develop later?

In a RAT the line closest to the sample well is always the Test line. This is (IIRC) so that the viral antibodies will bind to that T line and won’t proceed to C

If strongly positive the test line will appear first as it’s the first line. However the appearance may be delayed when less antibodies are around - so T and C can also appear at the time.

The Red colour is a made up of a Gold compound and sits all over the RAT test strip. The T line has an antibody on it which binds to virus antibody. The C line has an antibody on it which binds to the Control antibody which sits initially in the sample well and is drawn up by capillary action by the fluid in the sample well with the viral antibody.

The gold compound binds to the combination of the antibody in the sample well and the antibody on the T and C line

 

[JohnM]

Just for fun, I just did another saliva RAT. (Have to do something with the 15 the WA Gov't handed out to all inmates).

This is after about 6 minutes and it appears to have stabilised at that.

 

[andye]

In UK yes but probably not in Australia. Does depend how the death cert is filled out and whether the treating team felt she was delirious causing the fall

Coronavirus (COVID-19) case numbers and statistics

This page provides updates about the current situation, latest case numbers and related information. It is updated every day by 9 pm AEST and reflects the previous 24 hours.

www.health.gov.au

Better link here-the link above was the one that came when answering question What is the definition of a COVID-19 death in Australia?
Answer: A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID19 (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death. Which is why I said probably not. Link below goes into more detail on certifcation-however does depend on the coding

COVID-19 Mortality in Australia, Deaths registered to 31 July 2021

COVID-19 deaths that occurred by 31 July 2021 that have been registered and received by the ABS

www.abs.gov.au

 

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Just for fun, I just did another saliva RAT. (Have to do something with the 15 the WA Gov't handed out to all inmates).

This is after about 6 minutes and it appears to have stabilised at that.

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Strange, it's missing the U and N ?!

 

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My (saliva) RAT on Monday had both lines equally red after a few minutes and that's how it stayed permanently.

Sometimes things are permanent.

 

[VPS]

This hand sanitiser stops Escherichia coil. I've not heard of that bacteria before

 

[lovetravellingoz]

This hand sanitiser stops Escherichia coil. I've not heard of that bacteria before

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That would actually be Escherichia Coli.

Or E. coli as it is more commonly referred to

 

[VPS]

That would actually be Escherichia Coli.

Or E. coli as it is more commonly referred to

er yes - maybe I should have put it in the humour thread. I'm perfectly well aware of what it should have been otherwise I think they would possibly take away my degree

 

[PineappleSkip]

This hand sanitiser stops Escherichia coil.

I immediately thought of shuffling off this mortal coli. Verily, this sani ends
the heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.

 

[Quickstatus]

Stop Press:

Good Double Blind RCT on Ivermectin
Good design with good statistical power
One of the best studies on Ivermectin.

It’s not horse dewormer !!!

Hopefully this can help people move on

 

[drron]

A study from Scotland finding that the combination of Covid and Influenza is lethal. That was not the case if RSV or adenovirus infections with Covid.

https://dgalerts.docguide.com/ncov-home/article/study-suggests-sars-cov-2-co-infection-with-influenza-virus-associated-with-increased-odds-of-invasive-mechanical-ventilation-and-in-hospital-mortality