General Medical issues thread

[JohnK]

And that is a lot of carbs in a day - especially white bread, rice and potato. You need to be choosing low GI like soy linseed bread and then filling up on protein and good fats, and cutting back on the fruit. Eggs for breakfast, or yoghurt, salad and protein for lunch and protein and green vegetables for dinner. Good fat like avocado. Snacks like almonds, carrots, hummus, celery. Fruits - stick to berries.

Worse case - do a stint on something like Optifast.

My diet was developed by me for me. I don't want someone else's diet as that won't work.

I've just been checking my spreadsheets for 2016. Here's an interesting day of 1279 calories

- 44g bread
- 12g fetta cheese, 28g cheddar cheese
- 100g ham
- 278g meat
- 165g tomato
- 152g apple
- 68g plum
- 120g mandarin
- 25g rice
- 60g spaghetti

Carbs not 100% accurate but ~150g carbs. High in protein.

My idea of a diet is eating things I enjoy. Diet worked then. Has to be able to work again now although @drron raises an interesting point regarding diet drinks. I am drinking a lot more diet Coke or Coke Zero but why is that causing an increase in weight. It's not like I'm consuming more sugar in my diet.

 

[Quickstatus]

Diet drinks don't increase calorie intake especially if you are counting your calories.

 

[Milboo]

LOL that is not someone else's diet - it is a general approach to eating based on nutrition and science.

Protein and Low GI provide sustained energy and a feeling of fullness
White carbs (high GI) provide a brief spike in energy and then a crash, prompting the hunger cycle to start over
Good fats - necessary in balanced diet
Avoiding majority of fruits - too much sucrose affects weight loss and blood sugar levels
Eating green vegetables and not starchy ones - per avoiding high GI carbs

Simple dietary common sense really.

 

[VPS]

Someone once asked me what I drink given I rarely drink soft drink. Tea, water and wine was my answer.

I don't drink tea coffee or soft drinks so my answer water, wine and gin

 

[suze2000]

Diet soft drink is also shown to be correlated with weight gain.

I keep reading this but correlation=/=causation.

Surely the reason people switch to diet drinks is *because* they are trying to lose weight? So they will be struggling with weight gain anyway? I'd really like to see whether they actually investigated their study participants reasons for drinking diet drinks, their calorie consumption, hormone levels (cortisol, insulin etc), and actual metabolic rates and how many calories they could reasonably expect to burn per day given their activity levels. I suspect the research in question is funded by sugar/fructose companies or their shell companies.

 

[Pushka]

I keep reading this but correlation=/=causation.

Surely the reason people switch to diet drinks is *because* they are trying to lose weight? So they will be struggling with weight gain anyway? I'd really like to see whether they actually investigated their study participants reasons for drinking diet drinks, their calorie consumption, hormone levels (cortisol, insulin etc), and actual metabolic rates and how many calories they could reasonably expect to burn per day given their activity levels. I suspect the research in question is funded by sugar/fructose companies or their shell companies.

Correlation and causation are the 2 most ‘fradulent’ Terms in science.

 

[JohnK]

Ah, ok, maybe just say you eat a small bread roll then . Coz that isn’t a slice.

Ok. I slice up a small bread roll.

Check your STOPBANG score

Not a good score. Surprised how I'm still alive.

It is what it is. Have to keep trying to lose weight.

 

[Pushka]

Check your STOPBANG score

I tested mine and it’s high risk. I already knew I had mild apnea from a sleep test. But it doesn’t occur every night and I find positioning greatly improves the condition. I’m bad when I sleep on my back and left side. I have a heavy but soft ball ( a Kmart door stop) on my left side that keeps ‘reminding’ me to stay on my right side or slightly off my back to the right.

 

[drron]

And also previously posted a study in humans where in men drinking carbonated water the grhelin levels are increased.It's effect is to increase appetite.No increase in women though.

 

[Flashback]

And also previously posted a study in humans where in men drinking carbonated water the grhelin levels are increased.It's effect is to increase appetite.No increase in women though.

Since you posted that I stopped drinking sparkling water (it's all the rage in Europe ) and my weight has been pretty steady. I've also not been drinking much (if at all), too. But it has stuck in my mind and as a result I'm always a 'still water' man now!

 

[JohnK]

Simple dietary common sense really.

That's quite funny. There is nothing simple about diet and what works for you may not necessarily work for someone else.

I kept a detailed record of what I was eating for 5 months and that was reviewed by 2 dietitians and both dietitians gave the diet the ok.

And as I kept a detailed record of what I ate I understood what worked for me and what didn't. The average male consumes ~2100 calories/day. I'm much bigger than the average. If I consume ~1800 calories/day I do not lose any weight. Weight loss starts by consuming less than 1600 calories/day which for the time being I cannot seem to achieve.

 

[JohnM]

Correlation and causation are the 2 most ‘fradulent’ Terms in science.

Could you elaborate please?

Correlation does not mean causation. That is a given in science.

But causation will be correlated with the observed effect. That is a given in science.

There may be 'fraudulence' somewhere (notably in advertising) and ignorance (notably in the media) by the time information gets to the 'general public'. But where in science is the fraudulence in those two distinctly-defined terms?

If you are suggesting that a person who claims to be a scientist uses only a high correlation to emphatically declare the causation of an effect, then that person has immediately abrogated the right to call themself a scientist.

Correlation absurdity 101: 15 Insane Things That Correlate With Each Other

 

[Pushka]

Could you elaborate please?

Correlation does not mean causation. That is a given in science.

But causation will be correlated with the observed effect. That is a given in science.

There may be 'fraudulence' somewhere (notably in advertising) and ignorance (notably in the media) by the time information gets to the 'general public'. But where in science is the fraudulence in those two distinctly-defined terms?

If you are suggesting that a person who claims to be a scientist uses only a high correlation to emphatically declare the causation of an effect, then that person has immediately abrogated the right to call themself a scientist.

Correlation absurdity 101: 15 Insane Things That Correlate With Each Other

People confuse the two and consider that one leads to the other. And some ‘scientists’ work on that confusion. And then the media runs with it.

You really think scientists are equally professional in their research techniques? There’s a litany of deliberate errors throughout history.

 

[JohnM]

You really think scientists are equally professional in their research techniques? There’s a litany of deliberate errors throughout history.

I didn't suggest that at all. On the contrary - I said that any person purporting to be a scientist and who is so methodologically sloppy has abrogated their right to be called a scientist.

I do not deny that in science - just like in society as a whole - there will be a small proportion of people who wilfully act fraudulently. Falsification of data is the greatest sin in science.

It was your original statement that seemed to be a blanket assertion that fraud was somehow embedded in the correlation/causation issue that I was wanting to get my head around.

I would suggest that their misuse is more in the sloppy category - like trying to prove (rather than disprove) an hypothesis - than the pre-meditated fraud category which, by its very nature, goes far beyond such clumsiness.

Of course, the misuse also could have a lot to do with people wanting to be told (or only listening to) what they want to hear...

 

[Quickstatus]

And also previously posted a study in humans where in men drinking carbonated water the grhelin levels are increased.It's effect is to increase appetite.No increase in women though.

Those Grhelin studies have very small n. Some have n=20.
I dont feel either way after fizzy water.

 

[suze2000]

Those Grhelin studies have very small n. Some have n=20.
I dont feel either way after fizzy water.

Yes, I was going to ask if it's been replicated, and what were the details on the study methodology? And how did they measure the grehlin? Because I don't know what methods there are out there for doing it, but unless it's close to gold standard, that sounds a bit suss to me.

Most doctors, for example, aren't aware that the most common ways of measuring Vitamin D tend to underestimate it.

 

[drron]

The paper is quoted in this thread along with other papers which taken together do suggest it is not the artificial sweeteners that are the cause of weight gain seen when drinking diet drinks.And in those studies looking at diet drinks that did measure hormones no changes were seen in hormone levels.

 

[suze2000]

Woke up this morning with a swollen and painful gland in my neck. What the..? I've been at home all week, and don't feel the least bit sick. I'm due back at the GP this week, but honestly, starting to feel like I got a lemon for a body.

 

[Flashback]

My run of "luck" at hockey continues - this time it's what felt like a guy of 100kg or so deciding to be a douche and step on my foot when I picked him off during the game. Big toe has blood all around it and still throbbing, could be lining up for the 5th time I'll lose this one! We had the last laugh anyway, scored a goal and we won 1-0.

 

[Pushka]

Well as long as the team won, what are you complaining about

My run of "luck" at hockey continues - this time it's what felt like a guy of 100kg or so deciding to be a douche and step on my foot when I picked him off during the game. Big toe has blood all around it and still throbbing, could be lining up for the 5th time I'll lose this one! We had the last laugh anyway, scored a goal and we won 1-0.