General Medical issues thread

[drron]

Yes much more needs to be known about that study particularly who was studied and how many.

 

[whatmeworry]

Interesting and very debatable. What are the assumptions of the study?. How do they know that a random copying error is not environmental or inherited??. Let's read the actual article. I find journalists don't do a accurate job at all.

The Journalist does have a scientist degree.

Yes much more needs to be known about that study particularly who was studied and how many.

Just 4.8 Billion.

Our previous analyses were confined to the U.S. population, which could be considered to be exposed to relatively uniform environmental conditions (6). In this study, we have evaluated cancer incidence in 69 countries, representing a variety of environments distributed throughout the world and representing 4.8 billion people (two-thirds of the world’s population). Cancer incidences were determined from analysis of 423 cancer registries that were made available by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) (Download).

Stem cell divisions, somatic mutations, cancer etiology, and cancer prevention | Science

Professor David Thomas is head of the Garvan Institute's cancer division and director of the Kinghorn Cancer Centre.
"The first Vogelstein study in 2015 was important and heretical. Here they have got a much larger data set that expands to the entire globe.
"I'm not surprised at the ratios of random errors to to environmentally-induced mutations and hereditary causes. They seem about right."

 

[get me outta here]

Norman Swan interviewed one of them on The Health Report. May have a transcript or audio on the ABC Radio site.

Yes much more needs to be known about that study particularly who was studied and how many.

 

[Quickstatus]

Really? The number of subjects in the study was 4.8 billion?. That's over half the worlds population.

On a superficial reading of the Science article it appears to be just a statistical analysis of cancer registries - sort of a meta analysis. To get a result certain assumptions needed to have been made. They did not study 4.8 billion people, just whatever cancer registries were available worldwide.

Not exactly a rigorous study and to be able to come to the conclusions in the paper is debatable in the least. However it is interesting.

 

[JohnK]

I love my infusions. I barely bother with tablets, especially with my patient population.

Infuse once and basically done for a year or so, it's great. Cheaper too!

If by infusion you mean having a canula inserted into the back of the hand and waiting 2-3 hours for liquid to enter the body then I hate them. Had infusions every 12 weeks for ~12-18 months and I vowed never again.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

Meanwhile, the anti vac'ers stick cheese in their ears and say la la la as they think their precious is safe with essential oils.

While we were in Atlanta, we went to the CDC. Glad we did - looking at that iron lung that was used up until 2003 was so sad. These diseases are still around folks.

the latest apparently is to refuse to let their babies have Vit K injections - quite tragic.

https://tenplay.com.au/news/nationa...l-condition-after-parents-refuse-vitamin-shot

While I totally respect people's right to manage their own health (and do it myself), how you can take a risk with a baby against proven science and medical advice, leaves me bemused.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

the latest apparently is to refuse to let their babies have Vit K injections - quite tragic.

https://tenplay.com.au/news/nationa...l-condition-after-parents-refuse-vitamin-shot

While I totally respect people's right to manage their own health (and do it myself), how you can take a risk with a baby against proven science and medical advice, leaves me bemused.

Maybe it immunises them against fluoride as well.

 

[Quickstatus]

Yep cannula but iron infusion is only 15 min for the "Ferinject" formulation. Will last several years

I note antivaxxers have managed to convince new parents to refuse vitamin k injections for newborns. Now increase incidence of Newborn Haemorrhagic disease. Devastating if bleeding is cerebral

 

[AnnaB]

I note antivaxxers have managed to convince new parents to refuse vitamin k injections for newborns. Now increase incidence of Newborn Haemorrhagic disease. Devastating if bleeding is cerebral

I read that yesterday too. For someone to claim that they are "informed" about the true nature of vaccines and Vit K, they really havent read and understood anything. After all these years they still base their "science" on false studies.

I read on parent stating that if their child only eat healthy and organic they would not need vaccines and would not have a problem with childhood diseases. Well... they did eat organic back in the days before pesticides, and they still dropped like flies. Rich or poor, didn't matter....

Sorry about the rant, it just strikes a nerve, especially when you see young children die that didnt need to. I get so tired and fed up with these egoistic and narcissistic parents. Its not only their child they endanger, its everyone elses.

 

[Denali]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

the latest apparently is to refuse to let their babies have Vit K injections - quite tragic.

https://tenplay.com.au/news/nationa...l-condition-after-parents-refuse-vitamin-shot

While I totally respect people's right to manage their own health (and do it myself), how you can take a risk with a baby against proven science and medical advice, leaves me bemused.

For me, its the hypocrisy. The person benefited (and continues to benefit) from what vaccinations provides but they wont extend that to their own children. Very sad.

 

[mushez]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

For me, its the hypocrisy. The person benefited (and continues to benefit) from what vaccinations provides but they wont extend that to their own children. Very sad.

Who is to say they see it as being of a benefit for them that others are vaccinated?

Everyone values things in life differently than the next. Just because one sees something as a benefit, is wrong to assume all see it as a benefit.

As you elude to, Informed Choice and Informed Consent are two fundamental principles that are worth upholding in society as a whole, and if that freedom is at the cost of some who choose not to take up logical options like vaccinations - we shouldn't victimize them for using a fundamental principle that is in everyone's best interest to hold firm and strong to.

The opposite is a government who dictate what medication we must or cannot take. A very slippery slope I don't wish upon any country.

 

[JohnK]

I note antivaxxers have managed to convince new parents to refuse vitamin k injections for newborns. Now increase incidence of Newborn Haemorrhagic disease. Devastating if bleeding is cerebral

Shows you how much I know. What are vitamin K injections and no idea if my daughter had them when she was born.

 

[Denali]

Dreaded Man-Cold has hit the Denali household and Mr Denali is at End of the World Level = 4.

 

[Pushka]

Dreaded Man-Cold has hit the Denali household and Mr Denali is at End of the World Level = 4.

Oh dear. Disaster.

 

[Pushka]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

My niece and I can't have live vaccines due to lupus. Compulsory vaccination is an issue.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Shows you how much I know. What are vitamin K injections and no idea if my daughter had them when she was born.

It is pretty much automatic unless you explicitly refuse it, so I am sure she did. She is well past any danger period anyway.

Newborn babies' blood doesn't coagulate very well, so they are at risk of a haemorrhage in the brain with disastrous consequences. Obviously it is a small % where this happens, but Vit K is a quick and easy preventative, so for anti vaxers to be playing roulette with their children's health is sad.

Dr FM says they are seeing an increasing number at the hospital she works at - they wrote a document which they now make parents sign, saying they understand the risk and accept the responsibility, but it hadn't made any difference.

 

[Denali]

Re: The totally off-topic thread

My niece and I can't have live vaccines due to lupus. Compulsory vaccination is an issue.

I had a GP once tell me that I had Lupus and went to a specialist, who looked at the test results and said "why are you here". Very happy with that outcome.

While on hols, I sent a few postcards to nephew and his friend in Qld - both have Downs. Anyway, hes a huge country music fan and he finally waded out through the water after the floods to get his mail and got his postcard from the Country Music Hall of Fame. Straight to the pool room I was told, already on the wall

 

[Denali]

It is pretty much automatic unless you explicitly refuse it.......

Wasnt John's daughter born in another country? Maybe not automatic?

 

[Flying mermaid]

Wasnt John's daughter born in another country? Maybe not automatic?

I did wonder but I think it is pretty standard practice world wide. In any event his baby is well past the danger period.

 

[Quickstatus]

Shows you how much I know. What are vitamin K injections and no idea if my daughter had them when she was born.

Vitamin K is an essential catalyst in the production of certain blood clotting factors and bone healing
Without vitamin K the blood does not clot as well.

Sources of Vitamin K is leafy green veges like spinach and the like (because it is important in photosysthesis) and bacteria in the intestines

Warfarin interferes with Vitamin K cycle and thus causes a reduction in the production of Vitamin K dependant clotting factors (which are the same as the TV channels) : II, VII, IX, X, and protein C, S, Z

Newborns have a natural deficiency in VitK. Breastmilk is low in VitK

Like iron, oral supplementation absorption is poor. Injection is much better

By not giving newborns VitK, their blood clots much less efficiently. Essentially the same as giving adults warfarin. So those newborns with catastrophic bleeding will have elevated INR.

There is good evidence for improved bone health in conditions such as osteoporosis because I think it enhances the functions of Vitamin D in calcium handling


So your mother was correct - eat your veges especially spinach. Not so good news for those who need warfarin.

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I did wonder but I think it is pretty standard practice world wide. In any event his baby is well past the danger period.

Once the gut is colonised by bacteria, Vit K will be produced.

Thats why some antibiotics play havoc with INR readings


In OZ, VitK and HepB immunisations are given soon after birth.