Greens want to axe all flights from BNE 2200-0600

[Tiki]

Greens to axe existing Qatar Brisbane service & thousands of more flights

In a new threat to the ability of Australians to travel affordably, the Greens have today announced their plans to introduce flights caps and a curfew on Brisbane Airport, scuttling Brisbane’s only Qatar service, plus thousands of other flights each year. Greens Aviation spokesperson and...

newsroom.bne.com.au

Someone please tell me this won't actually happen! It affects pretty much every international airline serving BNE.

Impact to Queensland Summary

1. International flights impacted by curfew: Qatar (Doha), Singapore Airlines (Singapore), Jetstar (Bali), Emirates (Dubai), Qantas (Auckland), Fiji Airways (Nadi), Virgin (Bali & Fiji), Cathay Pacific (Hong Kong), Eva (Tapei), China Airlines (Tapei), Vietjet (Ho Chi Minh City).

 

[oz_mark]

Greens to axe existing Qatar Brisbane service & thousands of more flights

In a new threat to the ability of Australians to travel affordably, the Greens have today announced their plans to introduce flights caps and a curfew on Brisbane Airport, scuttling Brisbane’s only Qatar service, plus thousands of other flights each year. Greens Aviation spokesperson and...

newsroom.bne.com.au

Someone please tell me this won't actually happen! It affects pretty much every international airline serving BNE.

I don't know how much sway the greens actually have. They can announce anything they like....

 

[Tiki]

I'm not into politics so I don't understand what this all entails but hopefully this "bill" does not get very far.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

If it does not pass Aust fed or Qld state govt, it won't become law.
Airport curfews are still a federal matter as far as I know.
The Greens at the Fed parliament level, would need to first set up a private members bill, get through the first reading, and second, then their senators to get the bill passed, at both they need either Labor or Liberal or Pauline's party, to side with them, and then if they get majority, it passes both houses, and becomes law.
Then it would probably need to be tabled in the Qld state parliament, and if they get it through, as above mentions, with backing from either party at state level, it becomes law.
BNE airport would then need to follow the laws as thus set out.
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Just had a look at google, its a legislated restriction, so would need parliamentary approval.
For now, its a Greens wish list.
And there are certain things that can be said, within parliament, that protects senators, that if they say outside, they would be in trouble.
Parliamentary Privilege.
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Auntie/Aunty Pauline's party for eg.
She can say a lot, make a lot of statements, blah blah blah.
If the other parties do not support any of her bills, or motions, they (her ideas) do not get traction, but she can still say a lot of things, and make a lot of statements.
Maybe some senators at the fed level, just don't want to antagonise her, so they keep quiet, and toe their party line.
Take/put it this way, no one dares to stand up to her.

 

[robbo135]

If the Greens had their way, everyone wanting to fly overseas would need to go into a national ballot with only a limited number of flights/seats each year. Those lucky enough to win the ballot would then need to plant the equivalent number of trees to offset the emissions from their flight...

The Greens have some very "aspirational" policies, but quite a few of them are either not practical/feasible or would blow an even bigger hole in the budget.

 

[Tiki]

It was on the 6pm news and I panicked a bit! I Googled and found it on the BNE website so I guess it sounded more serious. Last thing we need is some other reason for airfares/award availability to get worse than it already is!

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

I read further, they brought it into parliament in 2022, so now, its 2023, they do need another party to support them tho.
Labor *might* support it, or the Libs, or ON (One Nation).
Have to wait and see.

 

[jakeseven7]

Seriously….

Is this Feds or State control?

The QLD state government is terminal (pun intended) so that might make this more of a hot topic if it comes politicised (hopefully not).

 

[justinbrett]

The Greens MP that holds Griffith (not the one mentioned in the article), which is what used to be Rudd's old electorate (of which I'm a former resident) - Rudd campaigned against the second parallel runway at Brisbane in the entire time I lived there.

If wind permits departures & arrivals can occur simultaneously over the bay at night (which is the current rule), it's much better having the new runway.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Call it dual.
The airport infrastructure is still fed govt owned, but leased ie washed off their hands to the BNE airport corp, a private business to operate.
"BAC purchased Brisbane Airport from the Fed Government in 1997 for $1.4 billion under a 50 year lease..." according to the Brisbane Airport website.
The airport fire service, might still be govt owned.
It is, still owned by Air Services Aust, a federal government agency.
As would be Air Services Aust who operate the tower ops.
Lots of fingers in the airport $ pie.
Then, not to mention too, we have the 3 hotels in proximity, who also make $ out of late incoming or very early outgoing pax.
Its a million $ industry.

 

[Gremlin]

The Greens MP that holds Griffith (not the one mentioned in the article), which is what used to be Rudd's old electorate (of which I'm a former resident) - Rudd campaigned against the second parallel runway at Brisbane in the entire time I lived there.

If wind permits departures & arrivals can occur simultaneously over the bay at night (which is the current rule), it's much better having the new runway.

I think this announcement is 100% about retaining Griffith at the next Federal Election. The Greens say that they doorknocked every single house in Griffith prior to the last election and tapped into their biggest concerns. The biggest issue in Griffith, as identified by them, is aircraft noise. Superficially, it can be argued that this policy looks reasonable - after all, SYD has a curfew that's broadly the same as this, so why can't BNE? Realistically, it ain't happening.

But it enables the Greens to keep the narrative going that neither major party is listening to the greatest need of the people of Griffith.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

A lot of house under the flight path of SYD KSA were double glazed, paid by a certain noise levy, not sure how long the levy on flight tickets were, but it was quite a sum.
Think it costs millions in air ticket prices/fares.
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Edit:
Just checked: $60.8 million was collected, $55.8 m spent!
1995 to 1997.
Thats a lot of $ to double glaze several hundred/thousand of houses.
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So, if ever the Greens were able to get bi partisan support for this, from either major parties, or the cross bench, one measure, instead of the curfew, is to put on a levy/or tax, to collect money to set up double glazing for affected properties under the flight path.
Their rationale, is that, well, a large airport like KSA has done it.

 

[Gremlin]

My take is that they don't want bi-partisan support. They want the status quo, so that they can argue that the major parties are doing the wrong thing by the constituents.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Maybe the only way is have all planes come in over Stradbroke island, over water, far out over past the OOL area, do a wide turn into BNE airports 2 runways.

 

[Forg]

Maybe the only way is have all planes come in over Stradbroke island, over water, far out over past the OOL area, do a wide turn into BNE airports 2 runways.

Land in the bay, and ferry passengers to the terminals using DUKWs?

 

[Franky]

I think this announcement is 100% about retaining Griffith at the next Federal Election. The Greens say that they doorknocked every single house in Griffith prior to the last election and tapped into their biggest concerns. The biggest issue in Griffith, as identified by them, is aircraft noise. Superficially, it can be argued that this policy looks reasonable - after all, SYD has a curfew that's broadly the same as this, so why can't BNE? Realistically, it ain't happening.

But it enables the Greens to keep the narrative going that neither major party is listening to the greatest need of the people of Griffith.

Also depends on how the question was asked….

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Land in the bay, and ferry passengers to the terminals using DUKWs?

Aust got rid of sea planes long ago.
I mean the planes land into BNE airport with the plane facing Brisbane city.
Not landing on water as such.
Dreamer mode turned on: though they could create an island airport like HKG Chep Lak Kok, which would rile up the Greens even more, but would solve noise for sure, if its built outside the bay, and use high speed undersea train tunnels.
Dreamer mode turned off now.

 

[jb747]

Perhaps the RAAF should operate some F35s there for a while, then I'm sure everyone would be glad to have the airlines back.

 

[Forg]

Aust got rid of sea planes long ago.

Oh … I wasn’t suggesting to switch to sea planes … and yeah, it might be expensive to be switching over to a single-usage model when flying into BNE …

Perhaps the RAAF should operate some F35s there for a while, then I'm sure everyone would be glad to have the airlines back.

Something lowest-bidding-supplier something falling-out-of-the-sky-onto-houses something?

 

[jb747]

Something lowest-bidding-supplier something falling-out-of-the-sky-onto-houses something?

Not at all. But, it's possibly the noisiest aircraft I've ever heard, though I do like the sound of that afterburner.