How would you do this trip? rtw? series of one ways?

[fifo]

Understood 're refunds.

I don't get the stopovers vs the flights?

My eu trip needs time in
Frankfurt 2 or 3 days.
Budapest 2 days
Sardinia 6 day
Madrid optional 3 days

On the return leg from Moscow I wouldn't mind hitting a few Eastern eu countries like Belarus and Moldova. Probably as separate fix.

 

[fifo]

And how do those two zones affect the booking process?

 

[JohnM]

JohnM...maybe you have some of your more creative old itineraries on easy access??

I've got to organise this for me and a similar one for my wife, but hers is shorter. No Russia leg for example or eu traipsing about.

I don't think that is likely to help. I always aim to do things that I want, not just mileage-run. It really is best to use the tool to figure out something that you want to do, then pad it with a few indirects if necessary to use all sectors (that, IME, is usually most likely to be in the US to use the 6 sectors there).

In going from Europe to the US, as an example, I would never travel the 'nuisance duration' flight across the Atlantic. I would go, say, LHR-LAX/SFO/SEA and then work back to the E coast.

 

[JohnM]

Understood 're refunds.

I don't get the stopovers vs the flights?

My eu trip needs time in
Frankfurt 2 or 3 days.
Budapest 2 days
Sardinia 6 day
Madrid optional 3 days

On the return leg from Moscow I wouldn't mind hitting a few Eastern eu countries like Belarus and Moldova. Probably as separate fix.

I think you may find Sardinia tricky to do on a DONEx. I looked at it a couple of years ago and struggled. IIRC, it's seasonal and mostly serviced by LCCs.

 

[RooFlyer]

Cross city connections, such as NRT/HND, ICN/GMP, LHR/LGW, JFK/LGA, etc count towards the 16 sector ticket limit, but don't count towards the allowed sectors for each Continent.

Ah, thanks. That clears up an ambiguous answer my TA gave recently that I didn't follow up on.

So if I have arrival from Nth America into LHR and departure from LGW for CDG, the cross-city counts as one of my 16 legs, but my LGW-CDG leg is my first 'Europe zone' sector?

Fifo, this is my itinerary, which may not be as 'creative' as some of JohnM's, but it did benefit from his input . It is not a 'status run', but I certainly tried for max SCs while going where I wanted (mainly by doing an intercontinental to the FAR side of the next zone, then working my way back to the other side, then again, leaping intercontinentally to a far point in the next zone, etc) . The base itinerary yields 1,545 QFF SCs, but with SYD-JFK and SIN-MEL booked in the Double Status Credits promo, it should yield about 2,000 SCs all up.

SYD-xLAX-JFK-xMIA-PTY-xMIA-DFW-DOH-FCO-xLHR-TLV-LHR-HND-xHKG-BOM-CMB-xSIN-MEL

That's 17 segments, but SYD-xLAX-JFK on QF11 counts as only one.

 

[fifo]

I don't think that is likely to help. I always aim to do things that I want, not just mileage-run. It really is best to use the tool to figure out something that you want to do, then pad it with a few indirects if necessary to use all sectors (that, IME, is usually most likely to be in the US to use the 6 sectors there).

In going from Europe to the US, as an example, I would never travel the 'nuisance duration' flight across the Atlantic. I would go, say, LHR-LAX/SFO/SEA and then work back to the E coast.

to what advantage is that? My trip locations are largely planned, as what I want to achieve as well, like you. Itinerarys were only to find out quirks and things like the above, or the carefully crafting as you say.

 

[RooFlyer]

I think you may find Sardinia tricky to do on a DONEx. I looked at it a couple of years ago and struggled. IIRC, it's seasonal and mostly serviced by LCCs.

In the map above, my stop at FCO (DHO-FCO on QR) is so I can go to Sardinia and back on a separate Alitalia ticket, then I resume from FCO on BA to London.

Veuling I think fly from Spain seasonally and Iberia may also.

 

[RooFlyer]

My eu trip needs time in
Frankfurt 2 or 3 days.
Budapest 2 days
Sardinia 6 day
Madrid optional 3 days

To do those on OneWorld its going to have to be something like

(Intercontinental into London) xLondon-Frankfurt-xHelsinki-Budapest-Madrid <that's all 4 sectors>, then separate ticket MAD-Sardinia-MAD somehow, then exit Europe zone from Madrid (unless you buy extra sectors). In the above Helsinki, London and Madrid would be interchangeable assuming BA, AY and IB have the requisite flight pairs. OneWorld is not good for flying within Europe. All your flights have to go via the three hubs which are all on the edge of the continent.

 

[JohnM]

to what advantage is that? My trip locations are largely planned, as what I want to achieve as well, like you. Itinerarys were only to find out quirks and things like the above, or the carefully crafting as you say.

It serves two purposes:

The obvious one is that it reaps more SCs and FF points.

The other is that it avoids what I have termed nuisance-duration flights: those of about 8 hours that, especially if overnight, are not long enough to take full advantage of both the onboard F&B and get enough sleep. The long flights enable both.

 

[fifo]

So I've been playing around with my trip and keep getting stuck on a few things.

I've got to start outside eu to use segments in eu. So that's means cape town or joburg. Problem is I find no flights direct with qr to DOH. All route thru LHR or HKG (not allowed). In fact there seems to be very limited QR direct flight availability overall and almost nil J.

As well, to get to Calgary, no flights show up no watter what i do....this seems odd?

 

[RooFlyer]

Sorry, I'm not following you here.

You get the same number of segments in the EU whether or not you start in the EU or outside it. However if you start in your home base DOH and then go to another European/ME continent port X then yes, you would have one less segment to play with compared to starting outside the continent and flying direct to port X.

Have you found this handy tool? OneWorld route map I find it great for finding at least what's possible (although it can be 'behind' on what an airline currently offers). When you go in, make sure you click on 'Destinations' at the top first, and unclick 'include connections'. It shows QR flying J'burg-DOH direct, as does the QR web site (two services a day). I can't think of an option in the planner tool that would prevent it showing the direct services; maybe there is an airline preference ticked somewhere?

Calgary isn't well serviced by OneWorld (I used to fly there many times a year). But the web page above shows AA services from Chicago and DFW (these are operated by EnvoyAir but I'm pretty sure they will be OneWorld counted flights), and a direct service from London on BA.

I think up-thread you said you'd like to go from Toronto to Calgary? I replied then that on OnmeWorld you'd have to go via a US city - so it would be Toronto-Chicago-Calgary (or to increase SC earn, you'd probably want to do Toronto-DFW-Calgary ), and you'd also have to exit via either Chicago or DFW. This would obviously be wasteful of segments (although you do get 6 in Nth America), so if you do want to go Toronto-Calgary, I'd suggest a separate ticket on Westjet (sort of like Virgin in Australia). If you want, or care, you may be able to get a Qantas code-share but it would only earn points, not SCs. That would count as one segment on your itinerary, rather than two. if you can't spare segments, then it would have to be a separate return trip from a port you are visiting in the US.

PM/conversation also sent.

 

[Himeno]

This is the routes for all the oneworld tickets I've had since I started traveling

2006 LGLOB29 CBR-SYD-NRT/HND-ITM/KIX-LHR-JFK/LGA-MCO-ORD-DFW-YVR/LAX-SYD-CBR
2007 LONE4 SYD-HKG-SIN-FRA/AMS-LHR-BOS-YYZ-JFK/IAD-DFW-SFO-SYD-CBR
2008 LONE4 CBR-SYD-JFK-BWI-ORD/SEA-LHR-MAD-FCO-LHR-SIN-KIX-HND/NRT-SYD-MEL-CBR
2009 LONE4 CBR-SYD-LAX-PDX-DFW-BOS-MIA-ATL-LHR-SIN-KUL-NRT-KIX-SIN-MEL-CBR
2010 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT/HND-ITM-NRT-*DONE3*-SIN-PER-MEL
2010 DONE3 NRT-SIN-HKG-JFK-DFW-ORD-MCO-DFW-SEA-JFK-CDG-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-HKG-NRT
2011 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-ITM-NRT-ICN-*DONE3*-HKG-SIN-MEL
2011 DONE3 ICN-NRT-DFW-ANC-DFW-ATL-ORD-SFO-JFK-FCO-MAD-LHR-DXB-LHR-SIN-HND-GMP
2012 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-ITM-NRT-ICN-*DONE3*-HKG-SIN-MEL
2012 DONE3 ICN-HKG-JFK-MIA-SEA-ORD-LAX-IAH-ORD-AMM-MAD-LHR-DXB-LHR-SIN-NRT-ICN
2013 DAS13 CBR-SYD-TYO-*DONE3*-OSA-TPE-KUL-SIN-BNE-CBR
2013 DONE3 HND-HKG-JFK-SFO-ORD-RDU-ORD-MIA-BCN-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-PVG-KUL-SIN-HND
2014 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-*DONE3*-ITM-NRT-SIN-MEL-CBR
2014 DONE3 HND-HKG-JFK-BOS-MIA-LAX-IAH-ORD-DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-PEK-HKG-SIN-HND
2015 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2015 DONE3 HND-HKG-BOS-DFW-LAX-MIA-JFK-MIA-ZRH-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-PVG-HKG-SIN-HND
2016 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2016 DONE3 NRT-JFK-DFW-PDX-LAX-DCA-DTW-DFW-DOH-OSL-LHR-DXB-LHR-ICN-HKG-SIN-HND
2017 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2017 DONE3 NRT-BOS-JFK-LAX-SEA-ORD-DTW-PHL-DOH-BUD-LHR-DXB-LHR-PEK-HKG-SIN-HND


The oneworld route map (http://onw.innosked.com/?show=MAP) shows all oneworld flights (once the operating airline has added the flight) that are listed in the booking systems. Not all flights shown on this map will be available when needed (eg, seasonal flights).
The booking tool will only show flights that have the needed fare class available (generally L, D or A) for the date you enter. There are other factors that can lead to the booking tool claiming a flight doesn't exist when it does.

YYC only has oneworld flights to LHR and DFW (seasonal to ORD).
If you get an extra ticket for the YYC flights, 2 Qantas partners fly there (point earn to QFF depending on fare class, no SC) Alaska to SEA and WestJet to 32 cities (+21 seasonal)

If you start in EU/ME, you still have the 4 flights allowed for the region, you are just limited to 2 stopovers, where as if you started in another continent, you could in theory have up to 5 in Europe. You also need to factor in what counts as a 'stopover' for the xONEx.
eg, for my 2008 trip I had -ORD/SEA-. As far as the xONEx was concerned, that surface sector was 1 stopover. But I actually had stops in Iowa City, Denver, Vancouver and Portland as well.

 

[Quickstatus]

... the cross-city counts as one of my 16 legs...

...mainly by doing an intercontinental to the FAR side of the next zone, then working my way back to the other side, then again, leaping intercontinentally to a far point in the next zone, etc) .

...SYD-xLAX-JFK-xMIA-PTY-xMIA-DFW-DOH-FCO-xLHR-TLV-LHR-HND-xHKG-BOM-CMB-xSIN-MEL

...That's 17 segments, but SYD-xLAX-JFK on QF11 counts as only one.

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How many days did it take you?

Thanks for the 4 tips!!

 

[Quickstatus]

This is the routes for all the oneworld tickets I've had since I started traveling

2006 LGLOB29 CBR-SYD-NRT/HND-ITM/KIX-LHR-JFK/LGA-MCO-ORD-DFW-YVR/LAX-SYD-CBR
2007 LONE4 SYD-HKG-SIN-FRA/AMS-LHR-BOS-YYZ-JFK/IAD-DFW-SFO-SYD-CBR
2008 LONE4 CBR-SYD-JFK-BWI-ORD/SEA-LHR-MAD-FCO-LHR-SIN-KIX-HND/NRT-SYD-MEL-CBR
2009 LONE4 CBR-SYD-LAX-PDX-DFW-BOS-MIA-ATL-LHR-SIN-KUL-NRT-KIX-SIN-MEL-CBR
2010 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT/HND-ITM-NRT-*DONE3*-SIN-PER-MEL
2010 DONE3 NRT-SIN-HKG-JFK-DFW-ORD-MCO-DFW-SEA-JFK-CDG-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-HKG-NRT
2011 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-ITM-NRT-ICN-*DONE3*-HKG-SIN-MEL
2011 DONE3 ICN-NRT-DFW-ANC-DFW-ATL-ORD-SFO-JFK-FCO-MAD-LHR-DXB-LHR-SIN-HND-GMP
2012 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-ITM-NRT-ICN-*DONE3*-HKG-SIN-MEL
2012 DONE3 ICN-HKG-JFK-MIA-SEA-ORD-LAX-IAH-ORD-AMM-MAD-LHR-DXB-LHR-SIN-NRT-ICN
2013 DAS13 CBR-SYD-TYO-*DONE3*-OSA-TPE-KUL-SIN-BNE-CBR
2013 DONE3 HND-HKG-JFK-SFO-ORD-RDU-ORD-MIA-BCN-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-PVG-KUL-SIN-HND
2014 DAS13 CBR-SYD-NRT-*DONE3*-ITM-NRT-SIN-MEL-CBR
2014 DONE3 HND-HKG-JFK-BOS-MIA-LAX-IAH-ORD-DOH-CDG-LHR-DXB-LHR-PEK-HKG-SIN-HND
2015 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2015 DONE3 HND-HKG-BOS-DFW-LAX-MIA-JFK-MIA-ZRH-HEL-LHR-DXB-LHR-PVG-HKG-SIN-HND
2016 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2016 DONE3 NRT-JFK-DFW-PDX-LAX-DCA-DTW-DFW-DOH-OSL-LHR-DXB-LHR-ICN-HKG-SIN-HND
2017 DAS13 CBR-SYD-HND-*DONE3*-ITM-HND-SIN-MEL-CBR
2017 DONE3 NRT-BOS-JFK-LAX-SEA-ORD-DTW-PHL-DOH-BUD-LHR-DXB-LHR-PEK-HKG-SIN-HND

This is pure Gold!!!

 

[RooFlyer]

How many days did it take you?

Starting in mid-April, it will be almost 5 weeks. Will be Trip Reported

 

[Himeno]

This is pure Gold!!!

Had some 'fun' on a few of them...
The 09 LONE4 -LHR-SIN-KUL- Had QF32 into SIN, planned day stop, then take the JL KIX-SIN-KUL tag into KUL that evening.
Well, QF32 diverted to KUL in the morning. Spent another 2 hours on the plane before getting to SIN, only to go back to KUL 12 hours later.

The 08 trip (-LHR-SIN-KIX-HND/NRT-SYD-MEL-CBR) was first booked as -LHR-BKK-SIN-KIX-HND/NRT-MEL- After ticketing, QF canned the NRT-MEL and was rebooked via SYD (and on to a 17 sector paper ticket). Then during the trip, once I got to Europe, those political riots were starting up in BKK and governments and airlines were issuing travel warnings and wavers. So QF Travel rebooked it to avoid BKK and transferred the remaining sectors back to an e-ticket and was told to keep the remaining paper coupons to return when I got home. When I checked in with BA at FCO, they demanded I hand over the paper coupon, even though the paper ticket was invalid at that point, and changed the QF32 to the BA codeshare.

The LHR-DXB-LHR on the DONE3s, some have had day stops in DXB, others have been in/out turns (to max SC and use up all the sectors). The 2013 trip was the first one with QF flying through DXB to LHR, but was before they did the MEL retime, so both flights were in DXB and LHR at the same time (both flights used the evening LHR departures and morning arrivals). Used BA in to DXB, then off to QF for QF1 back to LHR.
BA refused to check me through. The DXB transfer desks refused to check me in to QF (even the one in Concourse A with the QF signage before the connections screening). Got to the lounge without a boarding pass, explained the issue to EK. The let me into the lounge while they sorted it out, but by the time they got into the booking, the flight had closed. They contacted LHR (BA - the cause of the problem), then HKG (CX - ticket issuer) before getting an answer from SYD. Had been hoping QF would put me on the QF coded EK flight 2 hours later, but nope. 24 hour delay, lost a day in PVG and a free hotel in DXB from Qantas Connect.

Most of my trips have been about 6 weeks.

(and yes, that first DONE3/DAS13 trip ended with HEL-xLHR-xDXB-xLHR-xHKG-xNRT-xSIN-xPER-MEL. 8 flights over 3 days)

 

[JohnM]

Seeing we're doing show & tell, here are my DONEx's (and an AONEx in 2008 - the last year of the 20-sector paper tickets):

Square brackets indicate nested non-DONEx flights such as positioning within Australia and to get squiggle flights, or short el cheapos overseas; / indicates a land sector (in the good old days a one-way land sector didn't use one of the allowable sectors; nor did transferring between city airport pairs (eg. LHR/LGW).

Most of mine have been 6 weeks minimum, out to about 10 weeks in recent years as I have increasingly phased out of work.

2005: PER-BNE-SYD-HNL[-]KOA-LAX-SFO/LAS-ORD-MSY-MIA-JFK-GIG-SCL-EZE-MAD-CDG[-]LHR-MXP-LHR-NRT-HKG-SIN-PER

2006: PER-MEL-SYD-LHR-BCN-MAD-SVQ-MAD-SCL-LAX-DFW-SEA[-PUW-SEA]-DFW-PDX-DFW-JFK-SYD-PER

2006: PER-SYD-SFO-ORD-YUL-ORD-SEA-DFW-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-LIM[-CUZ-LIM]-SCL-MAD-LHR-PRG-HEL-LHR-MEL-PER

2007: PER-SYD-JFK/DCA-ORD-ATL-MIA-LAS-MIA-LAX-LHR-LIS-LHR[LGW-KEF-LGW]-JNB-CPT-JNB-VFA-JNB-SYD-PER

2008: PER-SYD-JFK-LAX-DEN-DFW-ANC-DFW-SFO-LHR[/LGW-DUB-LGW-JER-GCI-JER-LGW/LHR]-DXB-LHR-IST-LHR-MRU-JNB-CPT-JNB-SYD-DRW-PER

2009: PER-SYD-LHR-FCO[-PMO-FCO-FLR-FCO]-LHR[-CDG-LHR]-MAD-SCL-JFK-LAX-SFO-DFW-ABQ-DFW-LAX-MEL-ADL-PER

2010: PER-SYD-LHR[-CDG/LHR]-MAD-SCL-EZE[AEP-BRC-AEP]-SCL-JFK-SFO-DFW-PDX-DFW-ORD-LAX-MEL-ADL-PER

2011: PER-SYD-LAX-LAS-DFW-SLC-DFW-SFO-JFK-LHR-MAD-CMN-MAD-LHR-PEK-HKG-PER

2102: PER-HKG-ICN-HKG-JNB-LHR-CPH-LHR-VIE-LHR-SEA-JFK-ORD-DFW-LAX-MEL-PER

2013: PER-MEL-LHR-FCO-LHR-BUD-LHR-SFO-JFK-MIA-SXM-MIA-PLS-MIA-ORD-HKG-ADL-PER

2014: PER-SYD-DFW-YYC-DFW-RIC-DFW-SFO-JFK-SCL-MAD-LHR-TXL-LHR-HKG-MEL-PER

2015: [PER-SYD]-DFW-MSP-DFW-PHX-DFW-SFO-MIA-BOG[-MDE/EOH-AXM-EOH/MDE-CTG-BOG]-SCL-MAD-HEL[-RIX-HEL]-LHR-JNB-WDH-JNB-SYD[-PER]

2017: [PER-SYD]-DFW-BZE-DFW-SJD-ORD-LAX-JFK-SCL-MAD-AMM-DOH-LHR-DEL-HKG-HND[/ITM-HND]-SYD[-PER]

2018 (upcoming June-Sept): [PER-MEL-BNE-SYD]-SCL-LIM[-LPB-LIM]-GRU[-CGB-GRU-IGU-GRU]-DFW-SJO-PHX-DEN-MIA-JFK-LAX-DOH-DME-[/LED-DME]-DOH-LHR-MEL-PER

 

[Quickstatus]

Thanks @JohnM so much to drool over!!!

Very instructive to see RTW possibilities

 

[samanthadavies]

In the map above, my stop at FCO (DHO-FCO on QR) is so I can go to Sardinia and back on a separate Alitalia ticket, then I resume from FCO on BA to London.

Veuling I think fly from Spain seasonally and Iberia may also.

Yeah, Iberia and Vueling have flights from Madrid and Barcelona quite often and cheap

 

[JohnM]

Here's one for the brains' trust, @Himeno.

I just dummied into the OneWorld RTW planning and booking tool this itinerary:

MEL-LHR-DOH-DFW-MEX-DFW-ANC-DFW-CLT-DFW-NRT-DEL-CMB-HKG-SYD-BNE-PER. That's the full 16 sectors and comes up as a valid DONEx.

I'm working on the assumption of flying QF9 MEL(xPER)-LHR.

According to the 'touch Asia' rule between Australia and Europe zones, I would appear to go into Asia twice (and I'm using the full four sectors in the latter part).

Is this suggestive, do you think, that the 'touch Asia' rule, irrespective of actual contact with Asia - and in the light of my recent experience of getting a DONE4 where once a DONE5 would have been the classification of that itinerary, may now be dead with the advent of QF9/10?

If so, the rules are not yet updated:
https://www.oneworld.com/documents/...ules+doc/8ed08d57-69e3-4d8b-bd69-d346ec820edf