I have had enough.... [Offloaded after Flight not called in VA lounge]

[Deleted member 29185]

Ahh yes the infamous discovery of Green..

Not just green.....but PURE green!

Between our magic mushies and pure green, I'm sure we could have a blast in the gate area! ........not sure VFF would approve, though!

 

[SeatBackForward]

You stated "Not justifying incompetence.To say it should be eradicated is both unrealistic and not a practical solution.

I'm just stating ways of dealing with it."

I was simply using your analogy, not dealing with aircraft maintenance specifically, are you saying it is alright to be reticent in one area but not the other, not in my business.

If you have the ability to drive improvement in behaviour, then certainly you should, that's what continual improvement is all about.

Unless trying to sort out ground crew communication problems is in my control, I'd rather just deal with getting on that plane

 

[SeatBackForward]

Not just green.....but PURE green!

Between our magic mushies and pure green, I'm sure we could have a blast in the gate area! ........not sure VFF would approve, though!

Sounds like they need to join in, given the anecdotal evidence of their service on this threat.

 

[irv]

If you have the ability to drive improvement in behaviour, then certainly you should, that's what continual improvement is all about.

Unless trying to sort out ground crew communication problems is in my control, I'd rather just deal with getting on that plane

With due respect you are avoiding your previous comments, however if you don't wish to respond that's fine.

 

[SeatBackForward]

With due respect you are avoiding your previous comments, however if you don't wish to respond that's fine.

As a passenger about to board a flight, what capacity do I have to eradicate or provide solutions for airline staff incompetence? virtually nil. So to protect myself what do i do? admit defeat, complain and cry? no, I deal with it, accept the incompetence, and find a solution that gives me my prefered outcome.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Definitely safe fail. Eg. if it fails it will evoke some form of safety mechanism. Like dead man switches on trains.

When do we meet? I've never before met someone who likens a deadmans switch to flight boarding announcements. What a hoot. I bet you're the life (so to speak) of the gate lounge! That entertainment must surpass the boring old alcohol in the DJ lounge by a country mile. I can just see the scene..........(PA call) "Now boarding DJ flight 777787 to the Gold Coast. Status pax, elderly, and family first, followed by only those with an in-built deadman switch in your chest".

There.....who said my mind couldn't be changed on a Friday night. But I may have to just beg pardon whilst I go and stitch my sides back up from laughing just a wee too much!,,,,and I'm going to pack my spare deadman switch off the outboard :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[SeatBackForward]

When do we meet? I've never before met someone who likens a deadmans switch to flight boarding announcements. What a hoot. I bet you're the life (so to speak) of the gate lounge! That entertainment must surpass the boring old alcohol in the DJ lounge by a country mile. I can just see the scene..........(PA call) "Now boarding DJ flight 777787 to the Gold Coast. Status pax, elderly, and family first, followed by only those with an in-built deadman switch in your chest".

There.....who said my mind couldn't be changed on a Friday night. But I may have to just beg pardon whilst I go and stitch my sides back up from laughing just a wee too much!,,,,and I'm going to pack my spare deadman switch off the outboard :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

You've already said we wont travel together. Too late to change that now.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

You've already said we wont travel together. Too late to change that now.

No, no...you've got me all wrong. I love your humour! I've even already got the spare deadmans switch packed.......BTW do I give it to the pilot, or whom?

 

[SeatBackForward]

No, no...you've got me all wrong. I love your humour! I've even already got the spare deadmans switch packed.......BTW do I give it to the pilot, or whom?

Its a legitimate thing, look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man's_switch In fact the fatal Waterfall railway accident in NSW, 2003 was because (tragically and ironically) because of a failure of the dead man switch.

 

[Pushka]

Goodness, even JohnK has given up this discussion.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Goodness, even JohnK has given up this discussion.

Thats just how the Internets roll...

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Its a legitimate thing, look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man's_switch In fact the fatal Waterfall railway accident in NSW, 2003 was because (tragically and ironically) because of a failure of the dead man switch.

Yes I do realise it's a legitimate thing. Just not a safe fail thing. A deadmans switch is a fail safe device. A "safe fail" as you suggested for aircraft boarding systems is an admission of failure (which ironically may well be correct). A fail-safe device/procedure/action is a forseen safety precaution against failure of human action (inaction) or mechanical breakdown where a non-secure action is required (machine failure results in machine stopping). A fail secure action results in the activation of certain equipment in a failure mode (eg. fire doors locking to prevent access to secure and potentially unsafe areas).

 

[JohnK]

Goodness, even JohnK has given up this discussion.

Is there any point?

Some people think everything is black and white....

 

[Pushka]

I'm old enough now to appreciate the multitudes of grey. Goodness, there's a book title in that.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Is there any point?

Some people think everything is black and white....

Absolutely.

 

[Deleted member 24491]

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[JohnK]

I'm old enough now to appreciate the multitudes of grey. Goodness, there's a book title in that.

I probably should have rephrased my statement.

I am old fashioned and do not like change. That may be not quite right but it is understandable.

Some people think that everything is black and white and should be done by the text book but sorry but that is not quite right either.

I need to be at the boarding gate around 1 second before the 2nd last person is ready to go through. I do not want to wait at boarding gate. I hate standing in queues as it is uncomfortable. I do not want to wait in aerobridge. I do not want to wait in aircraft like a patient little lamb for people to board.

Most times I am the boarding gate with plenty of time to spare. Most times I tell crew I am there and not to worry about me. It would be nice if information was up tp date so that I can do this efficiently.

And yes I know I am greedy....

 

[irv]

I probably should have rephrased my statement.

I am old fashioned and do not like change. That may be not quite right but it is understandable.

Some people think that everything is black and white and should be done by the text book but sorry but that is not quite right either.

I need to be at the boarding gate around 1 second before the 2nd last person is ready to go through. I do not want to wait at boarding gate. I hate standing in queues as it is uncomfortable. I do not want to wait in aerobridge. I do not want to wait in aircraft like a patient little lamb for people to board.

Most times I am the boarding gate with plenty of time to spare. Most times I tell crew I am there and not to worry about me. It would be nice if information was up tp date so that I can do this efficiently.

And yes I know I am greedy....

Hi John

It doesn't matter what any one else has to say, you have your routines, it is up to you if you wish to change this if you deem appropriate. You are also entitled to point out when the purported updates are broken. IMO timetables at train stations works as they keep you informed, so why not aircraft.

 

[froggerADL]

The one time I was late boarding a Qantas flight, the gate agent actually rang me on my mobile and asked if I was going to board. That's what I call service.

A couple of years ago, when I was DJ Gold, I was in the ADL lounge, and was getting a little worried that they hadn't called my flight or updated the status on the board. I went to the desk to ask if the flight was delayed and was told they had been looking for me as the plane was ready to depart. They just didn't look for me in the lounge! I now don't trust Virgin to call their flights in the lounge and so can't relax as much as I do in a Qantas lounge.

So yes, Virgin have a serious problem with this.