I learnt a valuable lesson yesterday

[amaroo]

<snip>

I was able to upgrade to J with points .

Here endeth the lesson - my young Padawan

 

[Jaryd]

Here endeth the lesson - my young Padawan

I know right?!

 

[ALH]

4E telling the FA the laptop was "left from the previous flight", appears to be guilty of my pet hate: To assume. Every time I see something go wrong, it's because some half wit "assumed". The word is banned in my office.

 

[juddles]

4E telling the FA the laptop was "left from the previous flight", appears to be guilty of my pet hate: To assume. Every time I see something go wrong, it's because some half wit "assumed". The word is banned in my office.

You are "assuming" that is what happened

 

[Foreigner]

4E telling the FA the laptop was "left from the previous flight", appears to be guilty of my pet hate: To assume. Every time I see something go wrong, it's because some half wit "assumed". The word is banned in my office.

The phrase that i dislike is 'not that i know of' in answer.

 

[medhead]

You are "assuming" that is what happened

Not unless you assume the OP was given the wrong information by the CSM.

After takeoff, I went to get my laptop from the seat back pocket and it wasn't there! I started to look in my bag when Mr 4E said "oh, was that yours? I gave it to the crew". My respond was something along the lines of... 'You didn't see my bag under the seat in front and my pens on the seat?'.

So I wandered down to the CSM and asked him where he had placed my laptop. He told me he had offloaded it, as Mr 4E had told him it was left behind from the previous flight!!

 

[juddles]

Not unless you assume the OP was given the wrong information by the CSM.

You are assuming that the OP has a clear recollection of events, despite his self-confessed "big night"

 

[Foreigner]

You are assuming that the OP has a clear recollection of events, despite his self-confessed "big night"

Notwithstanding he may have 'an extremely small bladder'.

 

[Captain Halliday]

Reading this thread is like watching Air Crash Investigation. All the known facts have been reviewed, reasonable assumptions made, theories tested, there have been a couple of comparable cases examined. The only thing missing is an interview with the CSM or Mr 4E.

But the conclusion is the same: there wasn't one single event that led to Jaryd's laptop disaster, but a chain of small unfortunate errors. Remove just one link from that chain of events and disaster would likely have been prevented.

 

[miggidy]

Reading this thread is like watching Air Crash Investigation. All the known facts have been reviewed, reasonable assumptions made, theories tested, there have been a couple of comparable cases examined. The only thing missing is an interview with the CSM or Mr 4E.

But the conclusion is the same: there wasn't one single event that led to Jaryd's laptop disaster, but a chain of small unfortunate errors. Remove just one link from that chain of events and disaster would likely have been prevented.

So very true!!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Reading this thread is like watching Air Crash Investigation. All the known facts have been reviewed, reasonable assumptions made, theories tested, there have been a couple of comparable cases examined. The only thing missing is an interview with the CSM or Mr 4E.

But the conclusion is the same: there wasn't one single event that led to Jaryd's laptop disaster, but a chain of small unfortunate errors. Remove just one link from that chain of events and disaster would likely have been prevented.

I was thinking the exact same thing Capt Halliday. The icing on the cake would be for John Nance or Greg Feith to sum up the findings for us in true ACI style.

My two cents worth: never put anything in the seat pocket you that would devastate you if you were to never see it again. I generally travel with HLO so my rollaboard goes in the overhead and my other carry on piece goes under the seat in front of me. If I'm using a laptop in-flight once I shut it down I put it straight back in my bag.

I'm sure the myriad of stuff people leave behind in seat pockets on a daily basis was put there with the best of intentions to take it out at the end of the flight.

People will leave laptops, tablets, passports, wallets, cameras - you name it however nobody has ever left any Krispy Kreme doughnuts behind - why is it so?

 

[moa999]

4E telling the FA the laptop was "left from the previous flight", appears to be guilty of my pet hate: To assume. Every time I see something go wrong, it's because some half wit "assumed". The word is banned in my office.

To assume:

To make an cough out of U and ME...
Communication is the key

 

[Deleted member]

You are "assuming" that is what happened

No, the OP said that "is" what happened.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

No, the OP said that "is" what happened.

The OP said that "is" what happened because he assumed they were left behind from the last flight.

It's a bit like what came first - the dinosaur or the egg?

 

[RAM]

How a piece of tape measuring 1cm x 1.5cm caused over 200 people to die in a plane crash....Air Crash Investigation

I would be looking both ways TWICE before crossing any roads for a few days if I were the OP.

As usual, there's always differing opinions/witness recollections BUT:

• Clearly the OP was back in the seat BEFORE take-off <indisputable>
• The 'offender' was also sitting next to him prior to take off <indisputable>
• Reporting possibly forgotten items to CSM is OK <indisputable>
• Being upset when finding your possessions are not there is OK <indisputable>
• Getting caught short happens and modesty can override security considerations <indisputable other than wallet>

But also IMHO the absolutely biggest flaw in the whole sorry John Cleese future training video was:

• Why didn't the offender say to our victim, "By the way I noticed some items left over in your seat pocket and gave them to the CSM. I hope they weren't yours?"

The 'offender' should have noticed our 'victim' come and sit down without putting anything in the overhead locker, under the seat or in the seat pocket. Presumably our 'victim' wasn't wearing a jacket either. Either way sounds like an over eager or nosy person more concerned about their day than anyone else's.

QN: (May have missed this) But did the 'offender' ever apologise for all the heartache and inconvenience caused. If so did it sound genuine or were they having a hard time from laughing?

Sure the CSM should have checked the name on the items as basic common sense AND asked what seat pocket they were sourced from if the CSM did not remove them.

If it had happened to me - I would have been looking for the hidden camera.

That said I am cautious over belongings and NEVER leave my wallet unattended, always in my pocket until after seat belt sign is switched off. Also never unpack eToys until I've put my wallet into carry-on bag. Never know when you may land on the Hudson!

 

[Muzfly]

I learnt a valuable lesson many years ago. Never Fly Air France!! I was returning from Europe after a motorcycle holiday. I was travelling Business Class and had my riding gear hanging in a wardrobe adjacent to where I was sitting. Upon arrival in my haste I to leave the aircraft I did not collect the gear from the wardrobe. I was literally first off the aircraft when I realised my error. I turned around but we all know what its like there was no chance of getting back on board until every one had disembarked. I was able to watch every person get off that aircraft and no one had my gear (it was in two hanger bags with distinctive BMW markings on the bags. After the last person left the cabin attendant let be back on. No one else was on the aircraft, the cleaning and catering had no yet arrived. My stuff was gone.... Including the helmet!! How this could happen I've no idea. I checked all the other wardrobes on the aircraft and nothing there........ So how did this happen? Air France were a joke, did not, would not accept my story would not even launch an investigation. Travel insurance eventually coughed up something (this is another story) but I was still out of pocket more than 2K to replace it all. But the question remains, who moved it out of the wardrobe I'd put it in and why and how did it get off the aircraft? Remember I saw every last passenger get off that aircraft and no one had anything remotely like what had gone missing.

 

[RooFlyer]

I learnt a valuable lesson many years ago. Never Fly Air France!! <snip>.

Fortunately many of us here have already come to the same conclusion .. but possibly for different reasons

 

[Franky]

Another thought is why use the loo immediately after boarding, passengers are usually somewhere in the terminal for some time prior to boarding, wouldn't that be the obvious time for a pit stop?

 

[monoccular]

I would have thought that your fellow passenger actually did the right thing by drawing this to the attention of the cabin crew, but they should have been aware that you had boarded and should certainly have delayed offloading until they checked with you.
Were any of the items named?
i do leave my iPad and headphones in the seat pocket when I go to the toilet but I must say I have never done so when the door is open.
I do have an old boarding pass in my headphone case which would allow any alert cabin crew to check my name and ff number. I do this in case I happen to leave them on board to give any honest finder an opportunity to find me.
i also have my name and phone number on the back of my iPad.

PS I never ever leave my wallet or passport out of my pockets. Then I can never forget them and in the unlikely event of an emergency evacuation (or worse) they will be with me.

 

[blackcat20]

All it would have taken was a little effort, either from the other passenger or the crew, to ensure the passenger who owned the items was onboard. Seems like they took the "easy" option of just offloading it and making it someone elses problem...