I will never complain about about qantas again after...

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I am more concerned with how the experience of an incident has reflected in changes to procedures, equipment, training etc. Sometimes an incident can act as a wake-up call and result in safer operations/conditions when changes result.

This is true, and indeed avaiation is as safe as it is today as a result of the analysis of events and changes made. My fear with incidents these day is a trend toward lawyers getting involved early trying to lay blame. This leads to a culture of cover up, and may be counter productive to improving safety.
 
This is true, and indeed avaiation is as safe as it is today as a result of the analysis of events and changes made. My fear with incidents these day is a trend toward lawyers getting involved early trying to lay blame. This leads to a culture of cover up, and may be counter productive to improving safety.
I have to say, fortunately, that from my experience 'the industry culture' is currently robust enough, in most situations, to withstand this sort of negative input.
 
Wow I go away for a week and come back to a thread on Safety Records of AF.
Maybe my judgment of the whole airline was based around my dislike of the pre-boarding journey (from airport doors to gate) ... which isnt a fault of AA.

But to anyone that has been into the domestic Admirals Club in San Fran or even LA could you not agree that its pale in comparison to Qantas Lounges ?
 
But to anyone that has been into the domestic Admirals Club in San Fran or even LA could you not agree that its pale in comparison to Qantas Lounges ?

The LAX lounge isn't so bad. Free drinks, the nibbles leave a lot to be desired.

I quite like the SFO lounge. Spent many many hours in there and it's quiet and the view isn't too bad over the apron looking towards the UA terminal. The staff are always good too.

It's no Qantas Club true, but it's better than being in the terminal.

Lounges in the US are like their domestic F. Not up to par with QF's Lounge and domestic J offering as an overall product. That said, AC is also *never* complimentary for the usual AAdvantage tiers, only discounted (and they have to pay for drinks, hence why a lot of US based people get Qantas Club access so they at least have free drinks in the A/C).

The Flagship Lounge at LAX T4 is quite nice too.
 
Wow I go away for a week and come back to a thread on Safety Records of AF.
Maybe my judgment of the whole airline was based around my dislike of the pre-boarding journey (from airport doors to gate) ... which isnt a fault of AA.

But to anyone that has been into the domestic Admirals Club in San Fran or even LA could you not agree that its pale in comparison to Qantas Lounges ?
And you are surprised!:)
We are all lateral thinkers here you know.:p
 
Wow I go away for a week and come back to a thread on Safety Records of AF.
Maybe my judgment of the whole airline was based around my dislike of the pre-boarding journey (from airport doors to gate) ... which isnt a fault of AA.

But to anyone that has been into the domestic Admirals Club in San Fran or even LA could you not agree that its pale in comparison to Qantas Lounges ?

Not up to the grade of the QPs at the major centres, but comfortable enough and a good escape from the general pax terminal.
 
So if you think AA domestic premium cabins are bad try AY on an E170-
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Absolutely no difference behind the curtain-
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And you even have to go right through Y to get to the lav:shock:
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And the feet shot-
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Given the OP stated that it was in the US, then we should consider domestic experiences. My experience with those Asian airlines that offer domestic services would suggest that they are a fairly mediocre experience.

This is most probably pretty close to the mark.
 
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I will never complain about about qantas again after flying American Airlines in the US....

I will never complain about about qantas safety after seeing flaps that look rusted on an AA 767-200

I will never complain about about qantas again after seeing how rude AA staff are!


Anyway rant over.. I think we have it lucky in our country, as we have such high expectations of our airlines!

These were my thoughts almost exactly, after a flight from SFO-JFK in Y on an AA 767-200 on August 2 this year.

I was flying on a QF ticket so only had limited access to seats on the online seat selector and could not pre-book an exit row seat (I'm 6'9", so it's a must!). When I arrived at SFO to check in about 2.5 hours before the flight, I went to the AA counter and requested a seat with extra legroom - was advised nothing available and I should check at the gate as passengers booked in exit row seats usually get upgraded. I headed straight to the gate desk where a staff member was typing at the computer. He ignored me for about 5 minutes and then said he couldn't help me and that I would have to wait for the gate staff who would be there shortly. Well, they didn't arrive for over an hour - about 40 minutes before the flight! When I went to the counter, the staff member said if anyone needed a seat with extra legroom, it was me and said I'd like this and handed me a replacement boarding pass for a row 17 seat. Now I had checked the seat guru website earlier and from what I could remember, that was about where the exit row was, but I didn't clarify - silly me! It turned out to be a bulkhead seat, with slightly more knee room but argualy less legroom than a standard seat, given you can't put your feet under the seat in front. So much for me liking it! Luckily I noticed there was an empty window exit row seat two rows behind me, so when the seat belt light went off, I asked the flight attendant whether I could take that seat and was told 'of course'! I had to wake the aisle passenger to get to the window seat and he wasn't happy!

During the whole flight of about 5 hours, I was only offered one drink of water! Granted it was a red eye, but ...

When coming in to land, I looked out at the left side wing to see:

- almost no clear coat on the flaps and what appeared to be corrosion (commonly referred to as rust!) on the flaps;
- clear coat peeling off almost all of the screws on the wing and what again appeared to be corrosion on the screws;
- a couple of other patches on the wing where the clear coat was peeling off and there appeared to be corrosion;
- a significant number of cracks in the white paint on the arm that the engine was mounted on (hopefully cracks only in the paint and not stres fractures in the metal);
- a greasy footprint on the engine left by a mechanic.

Suffice to say, I was shaking my head and thanking my lucky stars when I got off the plane!

not too sure about them having rusty flaps as they are made from aluminium, most likely grease stains from jack screws, hinges, tracks and bellcranks...

Yeah I dont think AA is going around flying rusty aircraft either. Dirty ones? indeed!

As detailed above, there definitely appeared to be significant amounts of corrosion (commonly referred to as rust) on the AA 767-200 I was on, and it defintely wasn't just grease!

It never ceases to amaze me how much people will put personal comfort ahead of safety when such comparisons come up, I will never complain again about any aircraft flown by an Australian trained pilot to be frank, no matter what the airline. I would have much rather been in the F cabin of the recent CX A330 evac at HKG than the EK F cabin of the aircraft that did some renovations to the MEL ground equipment had they both had a F cabin.

Agreed!

Talking recently to a friend who flies for Qantas and his summary was that whilst a lot of the company personal do not like where they are going (no pun) and a lot of people such as us do not like where they are going they are catering for the masses and have managed to cut costs significantly and have kept the airline profitable.

Either the most profitable or the only profitable airline at the moment, as far as I understand.
 
These were my thoughts almost exactly, after a flight from SFO-JFK in Y on an AA 767-200 on August 2 this year.

When coming in to land, I looked out at the left side wing to see:

- almost no clear coat on the flaps and what appeared to be corrosion (commonly referred to as rust!) on the flaps;
- clear coat peeling off almost all of the screws on the wing and what again appeared to be corrosion on the screws;
- a couple of other patches on the wing where the clear coat was peeling off and there appeared to be corrosion;
- a significant number of cracks in the white paint on the arm that the engine was mounted on (hopefully cracks only in the paint and not stres fractures in the metal);
- a greasy footprint on the engine left by a mechanic.

Suffice to say, I was shaking my head and thanking my lucky stars when I got off the plane!


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Prob the same 767-200 I was on...
 
I take it that AA dont require you to have the window screen up for landing:

They've certainly never required it on any of the AA flights I've been on (about 10).

I put mine up out of habit anyway (if I've actually adjusted it) - it's all part of the process that happens automatically on descent without me even thinking about it :)
 
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