ID checks for domestic pax?

[TheRealTMA]

Just don't see what's the point of domestic airline identity checks. "Criminals" can't drive or use public transport or something?

What about the "celebrities" who always travel and book hotels under a pseudonym. Doesn't even the Great Clive us one for emails?

 

[Milefest]

Minutes? Sometimes an hour or more even if in F with OWE. My worst was at ORD when I arrived at 0330 hours for an 0530 flight/ Took an hour to get through the priority line. The regular lines were longer.

Generally my experience in the states is a few minutes extra for checking ID's, that excludes the time in takes to conduct the security process, being screened etc. The time does add up though.

I have heard some horror stories about waiting in queues for hours, been fortunate enough to never have experienced it.

 

[juddles]

I was going to disregard this thread, as it is not really anything worthy of debate. But then I read the linked article and I was outraged!!

Since when was the word "fugitive" used in Australia???????

 

[Milefest]

Shouldn't bother anyone who is in a FF program, ID already checked.

Is identity checked for those in an FF program though?

I don't remember providing any verifiable information like a drivers license or a passport signing up to Velocity, for example.

Couldn't you just create an alias name with another address and book a flight with that FF account with a gift credit card?

 

[seanpodge]

With regards to the time wasting argument, ID checks are done for all domestic flights in mainland China. They setup booths similar to immigration just in front of the security screening area. So basically the ID check line is also the security line. One lines up and gets their ID and boarding pass checked and stamped, then immediately joins the back of the security line. It also helps avoid the security area from getting overcrowded. Pretty efficient by and large. Could be done efficiently in Australia too if the equipment is set up properly and the ID check is properly staffed (typical staffing levels at Aus immigration booths concerns me on this point).

The privacy and other considerations are of course another matter.

 

[farstar]

I also guess they will need to check IDs as we board otherwise people could just give their boarding pass to someone else. They could do what they do in other countries and only allow passengers past security but even then there is still the possibility of two passengers swaping tickets for what ever reason.

 

[Milefest]

The privacy and other considerations are of course another matter.

I guess you could also make the argument that it would require more staff as it's an extra step in the security process, which in turn increase costs + time.

Not only that but it also means picking up friends, family & colleges from within the terminal not an option. Lounge guests would also require a BP to enter a lounge if it's air-side (which most are).

 

[medhead]

Is identity checked for those in an FF program though?

I don't remember providing any verifiable information like a drivers license or a passport signing up to Velocity, for example.

Couldn't you just create an alias name with another address and book a flight with that FF account with a gift credit card?

I'm more thinking that a FF'er is a person with firm identity information, as opposed to John Smith with no identity at all. I've also been told by a lawyer type that there is nothing illegal about adopting an assumed name. If I want to be known as Cat Stevens then I can, IMO the issue is then about having a supporting presence that backs up me as Cat. A FF'er card does support and agree with who I claim to be when travelling.

Perhaps I'm not being literal enough.

 

[Himeno]

Now here's the thing, I thought the FF number would only be accepted if it matched the name.

That's right. I changed my name almost 2 years ago and had a ticket booked in the new name. The booking wouldn't accept the FF number until I was able to get the name on the FF account changed.

 

[Himeno]

I was going to disregard this thread, as it is not really anything worthy of debate. But then I read the linked article and I was outraged!!

Since when was the word "fugitive" used in Australia???????

When the Australian security and political groups started listening to the BS their US counterparts are screaming while ignoring what their own population, common sense and science state.

 

[Simo]

If they do it will just have to work around it. Pain can be kids so you will have to take there passports with you when ever you do a domestic flight

 

[dajop]

Pain can be kids so you will have to take there passports with you when ever you do a domestic flight

Or some other form of ID. Many children do not have passports.

 

[Milefest]

Or some other form of ID.

Many children don't have any form of ID.

Maybe they'd enable the parents to sign a statuary declaration?

But it would be kind of silly because the kind of people that would be harboring fugitives would be lying anyway.

 

[dajop]

But it would be kind of silly because the kind of people that would be harboring fugitives would be lying anyway.

Which is the heart of the issue.... if you're criminally inclined to the point you are being looked for ... you probably would have the means to organise a convincing fake identification document. And lie anyway.

 

[seanpodge]

I guess you could also make the argument that it would require more staff as it's an extra step in the security process, which in turn increase costs + time.

Hence why I'm cynical that it will work smoothly in Australia.

Not only that but it also means picking up friends, family & colleges from within the terminal not an option. Lounge guests would also require a BP to enter a lounge if it's air-side (which most are).

True. In the mainland China system, there is no access to any area beyond the check in counters without a boarding pass.

Many children don't have any form of ID.

Maybe they'd enable the parents to sign a statuary declaration?

But it would be kind of silly because the kind of people that would be harboring fugitives would be lying anyway.

Presumably, if this idea is actually about targeting criminals, presumably organised crime, given that many children would be under the age of criminal responsibility, they would not need to provide ID. Of course, if it's just another metadata grab by the AFP and co...............

If the issue is organised crime and terrorism, there seems to be better and more efficient ways to handle that than IDing everyone.

 

[Ausbt]

Many children don't have any form of ID.

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure that when checking in an Unaccompanied Minor there was a need to bring along a birth certificate.

 

[Altair]

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure that when checking in an Unaccompanied Minor there was a need to bring along a birth certificate.

The requirement they are talking about is government issued photo ID which a birth certificate will not provide.
This requirement should be fought, it is not about air safety but about policing suspected criminal activity and abrogating civil liberties, even if you have criminal convictions and have paid the appropriate penalty then you should not be further restricted from your legal freedom of movement. Also like the spurious claim of voter fraud in the US where conservatives tried to require the same government issued photo ID to allow people to vote, many people do not have government issued photo ID and means they will be disenfranchised from their right to vote and in this case freedom of movement.
The proposed system will increase cost and time without any tangible evidence that it would provide any benefit to society.

 

[RooFlyer]

The requirement they are talking about is government issued photo ID which a birth certificate will not provide.
This requirement should be fought, it is not about air safety but about policing suspected criminal activity and abrogating civil liberties, even if you have criminal convictions and have paid the appropriate penalty then you should not be further restricted from your legal freedom of movement. Also like the spurious claim of voter fraud in the US where conservatives tried to require the same government issued photo ID to allow people to vote, many people do not have government issued photo ID and means they will be disenfranchised from their right to vote and in this case freedom of movement.
The proposed system will increase cost and time without any tangible evidence that it would provide any benefit to society.

Its about checking that you are who you are claiming to be. Big deal. 'Spurious' is introducing the red herring here of US voter fraud ( those wicked conservatives at it again :evil: ).

 

[harvyk]

Now one would think no security is an option (i.e. forget the ID checks; in fact, forget supplying any names at all, a bit like riding the bus), but if the argument that someone will always find a way to bypass the system is true, why is the "no security" option not viable?

The "no security" option is not viable since whilst in some respect it is security theater, it does discourage the crazies.

A terrorist whom is well funded and has properly done their recon whom has not been caught prior to getting to the airport will likely get through. A person whom is simply having a very bad day or whom is not all right in the head is extremely likely to be caught.

Not everyone whom would want to do harm on a plane has some motivation behind it.

 

[Archphoto]

Having to show ID to checkin domestically here in Thailand, is the norm - no ID you can't board.

It's really no big deal - I live with it every day, including having to enter buildings to visit clients and to enter/exit (with my car) into the "village" where I live.

Does it cut down on "terrorism" threats? Who knows; I can't actually fathom how the department/s would be able to gather data to support the claims that it will, but that's neither here nor there.

I stand in the security line for a hell of a lot longer than having my ID checked at checkin, so in the grand scheme of things I really couldn't care less if they want to ensure my ID matches my BP. Of course YMMV. :mrgreen: