Increased aviation security at Australian airports

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What concerns me far more is the number of left wingers in countries like Australia and Canada who try to shout conservative governments down every time the latter try to protect us.

We have a huge problem in Australia with one group of people, yet many won't admit it.

Except in this case it was the conservative government of the United Kingdom which was so critical of our government's inaction that it forced its hand.
 
First, you can't compare this to any other police operation because they have special powers in relation to suspected terrorism.
Such as warrantless searches, preventative detention, detention without charge, extended detention for interrogation, waiving the right to silence, etc.
These special powers were granted on the basis that they would allow police to act to protect the public without having to wait until they had enough evidence to get a warrant or a conviction.
If they don't acheive that then the infringement of civil liberties can't be justified and the special powers should be revoked.
Second, they seem to have got the balance so wrong that Britain threatened to publicly embarrass them. Not something an ally would do lightly.

But it doesn't matter about the particular powers being exercised does it? Even with the police powers to intercept possible terrorist activity early, the accused ultimately have to go through the court process and a jury. The principle is the same - go early and risk going too early (and then its a "infringement on civil liberties") or go late and risk getting it too late, with disastrous results.

I don't think your comment re the Brits' actions is supported by any evidence, is it? Did they know all the intelligence that the local cops etc were working under; the ramifications of 'blowing the whistle' at some particular time? Or were they just proposing a general aviation warning based on the intelligence they had? I don't think we know that, let alone if they were contemplating "publicly embarrassing" the Australian authorities.

How can you describe the Australian's actions or proposed timing as 'so wrong'? We don't know when they were proposing to raid or how advanced the accused planning was.

From what I can gather, the authorities had been monitoring this lot for quite a time and knew pretty much what the accused were doing. There appears to have been no imminent threat. We may never know if the timing of this raid was optimal, or if some associated players have now been tipped off and scattered, maybe to carry on their business later.

Except in this case it was the conservative government of the United Kingdom which was so critical of our government's inaction that it forced its hand.

Care to support that assertion with any evidence of the Brits being 'so critical of our government's inaction'? :) Do governments here decide timing of police raids?
 
But it doesn't matter about the particular powers being exercised does it? Even with the police powers to intercept possible terrorist activity early, the accused ultimately have to go through the court process and a jury. The principle is the same - go early and risk going too early (and then its a "infringement on civil liberties") or go late and risk getting it too late, with disastrous results.

I don't think your comment re the Brits' actions is supported by any evidence, is it? Did they know all the intelligence that the local cops etc were working under; the ramifications of 'blowing the whistle' at some particular time? Or were they just proposing a general aviation warning based on the intelligence they had? I don't think we know that, let alone if they were contemplating "publicly embarrassing" the Australian authorities.

How can you describe the Australian's actions or proposed timing as 'so wrong'? We don't know when they were proposing to raid or how advanced the accused planning was.

From what I can gather, the authorities had been monitoring this lot for quite a time and knew pretty much what the accused were doing. There appears to have been no imminent threat. We may never know if the timing of this raid was optimal, or if some associated players have now been tipped off and scattered, maybe to carry on their business later.



Care to support that assertion with any evidence of the Brits being 'so critical of our government's inaction'? :) Do governments here decide timing of police raids?

Agree with you.

Whilst difficult to know what to believe, from what I've read the situation developed very rapidly and the group plotting the attack were not known to authorities and had no prior convictions. Supposedly they were in a late stage of preparations - hence the urgency.
 
Well, it seems not everyone thought the timing of these raids was brought on by the Brits.

A Labor MP who suggested the Sydney terror raids were part of a Coalition government conspiracy to boost its standing in the polls has been forced to apologise.


The Northern Territory’s Assistant Minister for the Prevention of Family Violence and Women’s Policy, Sandra Nelson, made the accusation on Twitter last night while watching the ABC’s Q&A program.

“Polling for LNP not good. Therefore we now have a ‘terrorist attack’. How convenient. #qanda’’

The NT News reports that when she was pressed on her comments by freelance photojournalist Ted McConnell, Ms Nelson doubled down, saying no-one could confirm anything about the terror raids and that people were jumping on the bandwagon because the “Neocons’’ said so.

:rolleyes:

Neocons. Who else? :lol:
 
It's no scam when in Dandenong (Vic), the intention of one of these individuals is to behead a Federal policeman, nor is it a scam when individuals lose their lives in Martin Place, Sydney.

Unfortunately, it's real.
 
It's no scam when in Dandenong (Vic), the intention of one of these individuals is to behead a Federal policeman, nor is it a scam when individuals lose their lives in Martin Place, Sydney.

Unfortunately, it's real.

Unfortunately there are many who are mentally challenged.
 

Sure, I opened the link, and sure enough ... Ross Gittens :rolleyes: . He's unimpressed with the number of 12 terror plots foiled by the authorities :

There's no way of checking that claim, nor guessing how much harm would actually have transpired, but if that figure of 12 impresses you, you're making my point. Relative to all the other threats we face, it's chicken feed.

I suppose if the US authorities had managed to intercept and prevent the 9/11 attacks, that would have been 1/12 of chicken feed? Good grief.:rolleyes:
 
How many successful prosecutions have there been for terrorism in Australia? Where someone actually goes to prison, that is.

Unfortunately some of us remember the Mohammed Haneef affair and don't blindly accept everything the Libs tell us.
 
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It's no scam when in Dandenong (Vic), the intention of one of these individuals is to behead a Federal policeman, nor is it a scam when individuals lose their lives in Martin Place, Sydney.

The incident in Martin Place (Lindt?) wasn't terrorism related, but rather a part of our growing mental health problem.
 
The incident in Martin Place (Lindt?) wasn't terrorism related, but rather a part of our growing mental health problem.

Even Ross 'chicken feed' Gittens acknowledged it was!!

Sure, one can make the assertion that every murder is a sign of some sort of mental health problem but it doesn't help anything by pretending that the Lindt Café wasn't a terrorist event.
 

Yes, I'm sure there was talk that he wasn't actually aligned to them, he just had issues and didn't know where he fit in. Didn't he try to align himself to both al Qaeda and isis, who are both completely different and opposed to each other? Suggesting that he wasn't actually aligned with them at all.
 
How many successful prosecutions have there been for terrorism in Australia? Where someone actually goes to prison, that is.

Unfortunately some of us remember the Mohammed Haneef affair and don't blindly accept everything the Libs tell us.

Why the politics? Labor has the exact same policy now, and when they were in power. :rolleyes:

Oh, and when you die a 'martyr', you don't go to trial, or jail.

Yes, I'm sure there was talk that he wasn't actually aligned to them, he just had issues and didn't know where he fit in. Didn't he try to align himself to both al Qaeda and isis, who are both completely different and opposed to each other? Suggesting that he wasn't actually aligned with them at all.

For heaven's sake, you don't need a membership card to be a terrorist.
 
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