Indonesia Air Asia flight QZ 8501 loses contact with ATC

[Awesom Andy]

So it's basically... "We've found it. We just don't know exactly where it is, that's all, but it's there."

 

[dajop]

Based on experience with communicating with people in the region (Indonesia, Thailand and other countries in SE Asia) who speak English as second language, the two statements quoted in the media report are not necessarily inconsistent. It is entirely plausible that someone would have a very literal interpretation of the word found, and comment that the black box has not been found until it has either been physically sighted or even in the hands of someone. I can imagine the questioning .... "So have you found the black box?" "No we haven't found it due to weather and poor visibility", "Do you know where it could be" "Oh yes, we think it is in a crushed part of the aircraft located on the sea bed at this location ......."

 

[jb747]

Remember, the information is coming via the media, and we don't normally believe anything they say...or say that someone else said.

 

[serfty]

Reports that one of the Flight Data Recorders has been recovered ...

AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Indonesian divers retrieve black box

INDONESIAN divers have retrieved one of the black box flight recorders from the AirAsia plane that crashed in the Java Sea a fortnight ago with 162 people aboard, the transport ministry said.

Officials confirmed that the divers had retrieved the flight recorder from the bottom of the ocean but that the second black box — the voice recorder — was still missing.
...

 

[markis10]

In Indonesia your in the military or your no one, or black boxes have a magnetic attraction to those in uniform

 

[Mal]

2nd flight recorder (voice) has been recovered too apparently.

Divers retrieve crashed AirAsia jet's coughpit voice recorder | Reuters

 

[moa999]

Singapore Navy found the fuselage.

Photos went onto Facebook and are currently viewable on the Plane Talking blog

 

[PLANT]

Now to translate "press the play button"!!!!

 

[robd]

Reports some of the CVR has been translated -

Investigators reveal final moments of tragic AirAsia flight before crash - Independent.ie

 

[UP4014]

They mention in that article it is likely a result of bad weather, that's certainly not a good look when the pilot requested he wanted to steer clear the worst of it and that request was refused.


Matt

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think the most disturbing part is this - voice recordings to remain undisclosed:

Investigators hope to finish a preliminary report on the crash early next week. The full report could take up to a year, but will not include the entire coughpit voice transcript.
"In Indonesia it remains undisclosed," said Tatang Kurniadi, chief of the NTSC. "Just some important highlights will be included in the report."

 

[Revolio]

truth is such an elusive creature......

 

[markis10]

They mention in that article it is likely a result of bad weather, that's certainly not a good look when the pilot requested he wanted to steer clear the worst of it and that request was refused.


Matt

Without knowing the traffic picture at the time it's hard to draw any looks or conclusions, airspace is finite, especially if procedural control is in place,

 

[Alanslegal]

Re: the video of them retrieving the black box.

The visibility looks very good, can anyone/divers tell me at that depth ~30metres is it that clear? bright? are they using lights?

The sea bed looks very flat.

 

[anat0l]

I think the most disturbing part is this - voice recordings to remain undisclosed:

Well as long as no one is trying to cover something up or destroy evidence.

I don't think the public have ever had the privilege of being able to access an entire set of recordings from an aircraft black box. Some is freely disclosed, some is disclosed by force of law (compensatory hearings, freedom of information requests) and some is leaked.

All said and done, there will need to be enough released as someone is inevitably going to put Air Asia through the court system. What will be interesting is which jurisdiction(s) will the plaintiffs have the case(s) heard? If Indonesia is one of them, I don't think anyone can reasonably expect an honest trial!

 

[medhead]

I think the most disturbing part is this - voice recordings to remain undisclosed:

The investigation is ongoing. It would be disturbing if they did disclose the recording at this stage.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The investigation is ongoing. It would be disturbing if they did disclose the recording at this stage.

You will note the quote doesn't say 'at this stage' it implies 'ever'. The full recording will never be released. I guess it will come down to a credibility issue once the final report is released.

 

[medhead]

You will note the quote doesn't say 'at this stage' it implies 'ever'. The full recording will never be released. I guess it will come down to a credibility issue once the final report is released.

It says the full transcript will not be in the accident report. That is not the same as not disclosed. Again seems normal to me.

 

[jb747]

I think the most disturbing part is this - voice recordings to remain undisclosed:

Nothing unusual in that. I think it's that way in most countries.

 

[jb747]

They mention in that article it is likely a result of bad weather, that's certainly not a good look when the pilot requested he wanted to steer clear the worst of it and that request was refused.

I thought he was refused a climb, not a track change. The normal reply is 'unable', which simply means you would be in conflict with someone else. If the weather were that bad, the entire stream would be moving around it.

In any event ATC cannot force you to fly through anything...behind is always an option.