Involuntary seat change

[BadgerBoi]

Psst I'm the one in J or F.

Then it won't be your little Reign-Beaux and Tahylaah sitting next to me, it will be you by my side. Enjoy your flight.

You clearly don't mind being separated from the little darlings, so I don't see what it is about my opinion that is sending you to the verge of hysteria

You obviously aren't a parent John.

And this matters, or is a bad thing, because why???

 

[medhead]

On the matter of getting bumped by a CL.

When you enter the CL they take your boarding pass plusthey already have your preferred seat and seat number in their system meaning that they will bump someone else out of their seat to give it to you.To all of you who are outraged that you were bumped I am afraid it's just how it works.

I'm taking your comment with salt given the number of times I've been in row4 of a 737 and people with CL bag tags have been behind me.

 

[RooFlyer]

I'm thinking a few of you should go back and reread the post from JohnK before you continue to jump down his throat.

He did not suggest that the family should be separated just that the family group could work in any seating ROW :!:

Hi Bill

Thanks for the quote; but I'm thinking that I can comprehend what's been said but I'm sure JohnK is grateful for the clarification (ducks quickly). There's a bit of 'robust' discussion going on here and I love it.

badgerboi. The twins have asked for a J experience. You don't mind if they (both) occupy my J seat next to you for a while do you? Not going to interfere with your seat choice. They do like playing chasings and pretending they are playing AFL, though. Can you oblige? After all, as you say, there is no reason for families to sit together. I'll be napping at the back.

 

[JessicaTam]

Whilst I have not had a seat 'reallocated' as per the OP, I have been asked to move when onboard a few times. This has usually been by the CSM, and I have only moved a row/seat or two, so I have been happy to oblige. Sometimes I have offered if a pair of travellers have obviously been separated.

If I was 'told' of a new seat allocation, via a replacement BP, without being asked, then I would be quite grumpy.

 

[BadgerBoi]

Hi Bill

Thanks for the quote; but I'm thinking that I can comprehend what's been said but I'm sure JohnK is grateful for the clarification (ducks quickly). There's a bit of 'robust' discussion going on here and I love it.

badgerboi. The twins have asked for a J experience. You don't mind if they (both) occupy my J seat next to you for a while do you? Not going to interfere with your seat choice. They do like playing chasings and pretending they are playing AFL, though. Can you oblige? After all, as you say, there is no reason for families to sit together. I'll be napping at the back.

Either little Tahylaah or Reign-beaugan can sit wherever it likes, but no, I'll be having words with the FA if more than one of them occupies a seat at the time or they attempt to take turns, sorry. Enjoy your stay with the kettles at the back, I'm sure they'll enjoy welcoming a kindred spirit to join in whatever it is that goes on down there

 

[turnip666]

Back in 2000 I was on BNE -CNS and had 7C allocated. Got a beep at the gate and was handed 24B as a "colleague" had requested we travel together. I refused, but was basically told take it or walk. He was another employee of the same department but we had no real need to travel together or even talk. In fact I refused to even talk to him for the whole three day trip.:evil::evil:
Would think it would take more than a "request from a colleague" for an airline agreeing to this anymore.

 

[Brisbane Flyer]

Having initially worked in the Public Service and now having retired and gone into the private sector (and maintaining my own CL status) I find that comment to be so insensitive to the men and women of the public service. We all went into the public service to serve our nation and it's people and for much less pay than we all would have gotten in the private sector with our qualifications. I was not a status freeloader nor are the people who worked in our departments.

Man up and go for the green.
The thought that you gave up $$ to serve the nation...hit a 3 wood, a ball in the water is only a penalty shot.

 

[Hvr]

Are you saying that a family is more important?

Not to me. I do not appreciate being inconvenienced and a child can just as easily be supervised from any row the family is seated.

My concern is why is the family moved forward and the single person moved towards the back of the plane?

I appreciate that as a single person I am worth less to the airlines than a family but I don't see why I am punished for choosing what, is to me a desirable seat but when a family wants to sit together they trump me. Yes by all means seat families together but move them to the back rather than the single person who has already chosen their seat!

 

[zachary.august]

I'm taking your comment with salt given the number of times I've been in row4 of a 737 and people with CL bag tags have been behind me.

For all you know they were changed from another flight or better yet they just weren't moved. I never said it happens every single time just that it does happen! Alternatively , they were family members without CL and using their bag tags?

 

[Hvr]

Hi Bill

Thanks for the quote; but I'm thinking that I can comprehend what's been said but I'm sure JohnK is grateful for the clarification (ducks quickly). There's a bit of 'robust' discussion going on here and I love it.

badgerboi. The twins have asked for a J experience. You don't mind if they (both) occupy my J seat next to you for a while do you? Not going to interfere with your seat choice. They do like playing chasings and pretending they are playing AFL, though. Can you oblige? After all, as you say, there is no reason for families to sit together. I'll be napping at the back.

Heck sit them next to me. I'll teach them some words and phrases that may make their grandma blush, tell them the truth about their favourite AFL player and show them how to watch movies on the IFE. You never know what you're going to get there.

Frankly, you breed them, you raise them. I'm sick of putting up with ignorant and selfish parents who think the world revolves around their spawn.

 

[amaroo]

I'm taking your comment with salt given the number of times I've been in row4 of a 737 and people with CL bag tags have been behind me.

Not sure this is a precise measure.

I avoid the front rows of whY at all cost.......if I ever gain higher status - this won't change.

 

[medhead]

For all you know they were changed from another flight or better yet they just weren't moved. I never said it happens every single time just that it does happen! Alternatively , they were family members without CL and using their bag tags?

Seemed like a pretty definitive statement to me. "When you enter"..... "they will bump"...."that just how it works". Glad you've clarified.

You'realso right about knowing who they were, that's why I only said CL bag tag. Seems like a pretty clear statement of my knowledge (and its limits) about them and the the sole basis for thinking that things aren't as definitive as your previous post suggested.

On the matter of getting bumped by a CL.

When you enter the CL they take your boarding pass plusthey already have your preferred seat and seat number in their system meaning that they will bump someone else out of their seat to give it to you.To all of you who are outraged that you were bumped I am afraid it's just how it works.

As a private employer who has tried to compete for 30 years with the public service for admin personnel, I have to say that at the lower levels (say under EL1), the public service seriously overpays.....

I don't know. I was a public servant below executive level in my last job. I now get paid double and I'm still not in an executive level role. Then again I'm not doing admin....

Not sure this is a precise measure.

I avoid the front rows of whY at all cost.......if I ever gain higher status - this won't change.

I don't think I claimed it to be a precise measure. But it is a reason that I think that CL bumping people will not always happen.

I look forward to you becoming a CL.

 

[amaroo]

I look forward to you becoming a CL.

Me too......

 

[JohnK]

Whilst I have not had a seat 'reallocated' as per the OP, I have been asked to move when onboard a few times. This has usually been by the CSM, and I have only moved a row/seat or two, so I have been happy to oblige. Sometimes I have offered if a pair of travellers have obviously been separated.

You are nice person.

Sometimes I am nice as well. I remember the time I was sitting in 23J with a father and very young baby daughter in 23K. He did not ask me to move but mentioned his wife was in 54F or something. There was no way I was going to move that far down but found a lady on her own in 26K (who did not mind me movinng) and I asked the crew if they could bring up the mother to my 23K and I will go back to 26J. I was told to wait and go an op-up instead.

Now back to one of my pet gripes. I do not understand why when people are separated they automatically want the better seat of the 2, 3 or more they have in their hand. Why do you want to go forward? Natural instinct? Better seats? Well the person that is there is there for a reason. Why not just go back to the worst of your allocated seats and work from there? Much better solution for all involved....

 

[Aus ATC]

I guess the reality is people will try to achieve the best possible outcome for themselves, perhaps not realising that in the process, someone else is getting bumped. Maybe the check-in staff should be more assertive: "I'm sorry - there is already someone in Row 4/23 etc but we have plenty of seats down the back so you can all sit together."

If a family has enough status to be bumping WP/SGs, they could have easily called up and had their preferred seating allocated (at T-80 if necessary). It's not that hard - even with family on separate PNRs.

Now here I am hoping some CL or WP1 doesn't bump me out of 12K on QF9 in October!!

 

[medhead]

You are nice person.

Sometimes I am nice as well. I remember the time I was sitting in 23J with a father and very young baby daughter in 23K. He did not ask me to move but mentioned his wife was in 54F or something. There was no way I was going to move that far down but found a lady on her own in 26K (who did not mind me movinng) and I asked the crew if they could bring up the mother to my 23K and I will go back to 26J. I was told to wait and go an op-up instead.

Proper little gaoler's pet, aren't we?

When I realised that the guy in 4F this week was travelling with the 2 ladies and infant in 5D/E yesterday, I offered for me and my shadow to swap 4D/E so they could be together. Asked crew first about doing it. But was not offered to move to either of the the empty 3A/C seats. I thought your travelling life was always rubbish.

 

[amaroo]

Now here I am hoping some CL or WP1 doesn't bump me out of 12K on QF9 in October!!

Same here. The booking engine auto allocated us 4 seats in row 11on QF11 for a trip in December.......will be interesting.

 

[Aus ATC]

When I realised that the guy in 4F this week was travelling with the 2 ladies and infant in 5D/E yesterday, I offered to for me and my shadow to swap 4D/E so they could be together.

Very generous of you - of course the guy in 4F could have asked 5F to swap with him!!!

 

[medhead]

Very generous of you - of course the guy in 4F could have asked 5F to swap with him!!!

Yeah, he could've. But he didn't say anything at all about swapping. He and the wife and mother just took their seats. I initiated the swap when I realised there was a child. So entirely my choice.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I've been moved from pre-allocated (6 months out) 1A to 6D on an A330. I was pretty pissed off as I have a window seat preference and didn't even get that at the back row of J as a WP.

The gate agent in LAX (IMO who are utterly atrocious AA staff from what I can tell) told me I had been 'upgraded'. Then I pointed out her error, she then told me that a I was moved for a family. Well wasn't I surprised to see two middle aged men sitting in 1A&B. No kids to be seen anywhere, and a 'family' of mother and child sitting in my seat as they had been allocated halfway across the cabin from each other.

IME, the USA QF seating allocation is always being screwed with by incompetent outsourced care-factor-zero US ground staff.