Is loyalty dead?

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VA bought my loyalty from QF with a status match. When they went "full service" (ha) the only thing stopping me from flying was status benefits. I was SG (then WP soon after) with QF but VA had cheaper and more direct flights for my usual work routes so I switched. With the declining benefits at VA all QF has to do to get me back is a status match - simple! But that's why I don't fly QF any more - I only made LTS, not LTG so without lounge access I'm not going back in a hurry. So how about it QF? Or are you just waiting for VA to fail so we can all come crawling back a la Ansett?
 
Of course another way the airlines make a profit is by points expiring.But there are ways of doing it so not to upset your loyal customers.
As most are aware I have a problem with velocity.i am sure they are going to be stubborn.what they don't count on is me being stubborn.
next year is almost certainly going to be mrsdrron's last year as QF WP.She will make LTG in 2017/18.
We will be reducing the amount of travel after the next 2-3 years and using points for a lot.So our airline travel is starting to be more spread.Next year as well as the OW airlines we will be flying SQ,TG,SAA and HA and possibly more in the mix at the end of the year depending on award availability.VA were going to be part of the mix but as our points have disappeared there is no longer any point(pun intended) to show them any loyalty.I am even switching my Amex "free" flights to hotel stays.

So FF programs often don't see the ramifications of their actions.Blind loyalty for me is definitely a thing of the past.
 
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I have a problem with velocity.i am sure they are going to be stubborn.

drron, I hope VA are not so stupid as to be stubborn over the missing points. Anyone in their right mind would agree that what they did was wrong, hopefully someone in VA has a "right" mind.

I do believe though, that a growing number of experiences that have transpired over the past few months and posted on this forum are giving a very clear indication that VA have moved from being a "can do" airline to being a "can't do" airline (perhaps more to the point, a "won't do" airline). Of course it's their prerogative as it is ours to choose with whom we wish to fly. I do hope mrsdrron regains her points and sane thinking within VFF prevails.
 
Further to Trippin's comments....

The other thing to bear in mind is that there are essentially two competing business goals at work:

1- QANTAS (the airline)

2- QFF (the Frequent Flyer Program)

There's a reason that QFF is a separate reporting entity - and not just so that it can easily be spun-off.

Trippin gave a good explanation of the revenue/margin levers for QFF.

The other aspect is the traditional "loyalty" aspect - which is essentially the elite status program (as opposed to points or "frequent shopper program").

Think of it like this....

1- AIRLINE - wants you to fly them. Offers incentives in the form of status benefits to fly them. They also offer FF points, although these are less significant than in the past due to devaluations, as well as the ability to earn points on the ground. Points are even LESS IMPORTANT to higher-status pax for various reasons not the least of which is that they already earn a decent haul of points. More importantly - status benefits are more important than points.
But benefits and points are two levers which the airline can manipulate to act as incentives to apply the golden handcuffs and to incentivise incremental spend.

2- QFF - Wants to simply make a profit.
They profit via: - margin on points;
- positive working capital;
- breakage

These are the simple economics of the frequent flyer program. Ideally - the program wants to sell as many points as possible to partners (banks, hotels, Woolies etc), and they want to minimise the number of points issued for flying.
On the flipside - they want to minimise their "cost-per-point" on the redemption-side of the equation. So they make it difficult to use points for great value flight redemptions, and super easy to use points on horrible value toasters.

The problems come in when they cut/enhance/devalue so much that the "Qantas Points Currency" itself becomes worthless in the minds of consumers.

This risk is most pronounced at the mid-tiers. Think Silvers and Golds and QP members. These are the pax who are susceptible to being golden-handcuffed. If they are - then they will obtain co-brand credit cards, go out of their way to earn the currency, and display incredibly loyal behaviour and characteristics. These pax are also very easily convertible to higher-status pax if their personal circumstances suddenly allow it.


SO.....

What this means is that too many "enhancements" on either the Airline or the QFF programs - can in fact have detrimental effects on the business goals of the other.

Over-enhancing status benefits can actually have the effect of reducing QFF profitability.

Over-enhancing QFF can actually have the effect of reducing airline profitability.

It's a VERY fine line, and getting it wrong literally costs millions.

But ultimately - they are laser-focussed (to a fault) on reducing costs including provision of benefits and "cost-per-point".

That focus is generally bad-business. The only reason the enhancements we see aren't "worse" is that there are a small handful of people in QF who "get it" and exert strong pushback.
 
It's a VERY fine line, and getting it wrong literally costs millions.

But ultimately - they are laser-focussed (to a fault) on reducing costs including provision of benefits and "cost-per-point".

Presumably applicable also to the more recent "enhancer" ... VFF?
 
Happy 3000th post thr !

I think VA are giving a certain amount of flexibility to their program with family pooling (status included.)Could keep people interested for more reasons instead of tapping out ?Also points can be transferred or not ,so shop or fly ....more flexibility.I must say I am a dedicated type person but still prefer flexibility within it's confines.

All very interesting info from all ! Thanks.
 
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