Japan Airlines plane in flames at Tokyo's Haneda airport

[Pushka]

I have always worn solid footwear and prepared to evacuate a burning plane. Contrast this to some folk who change into 'night dress' and wear socks only before takeoff - something I have never understood. The FAs I have spoken to about some habits have elicited appropriate derision.

Practical safety messages should be included as more relevant than, say, other phrases that belong in the 'social engineering' class.

No one changed into PJ’s on our Singapore Melbourne night flight two days ago. They were handed out.

 

[Himeno]

Why anyone would need to travel in them, I do not understand. Like ties, they are a relic.

Painful too.

 

[tgh]

OT.. but I was recently advised that many Asian females have limited ankle movement from "living" in high heels from a young age.. and cannot function in normal shoes.

 

[Quickstatus]

One must feel great sympathy for the surviving Dash 8 captain, given his crew was killed. One can only hope he is being well supported.

It is quite traumatising to be the one whom everyone thinks is the "perpetrator". They exhibit all the psychological features of a victim but is usually excluded from being a victim and all the support services that are offered to victims.

Sidney Dekker (Griffith University AU and one time 737 pilot) wrote a book called Second Victim which succinctly describes this person.
It is also introduced by the author in this YouTube channel

 

[jb747]

I can pretty much guarantee that all of the crew are going through an ongoing hell, as they try to double guess and replay everything they did.

 

[Saab34]

I can pretty much guarantee that all of the crew are going through an ongoing hell, as they try to double guess and replay everything they did.

It’s as good as it’s going to get. Probably about as textbook as an evacuation could be in such circumstances.

Look at it the other way, how many things that could have gone wrong in the evacuation, that didn’t.

No PA, most of the slides inop, heavy pax numbers, smoke, fire, barely any evac injuries, no evac deaths, pretty good job if you ask me.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Indeed. No prep time either…..thats when the training truly cuts in.

 

[Saab34]

I think if say something was to occur say locally, evacuation compliance wouldn’t be as great. In fact stupidity would take centre stage.

 

[flyer89]

It is quite traumatising to be the one whom everyone thinks is the "perpetrator". They exhibit all the psychological features of a victim but is usually excluded from being a victim and all the support services that are offered to victims.

If I recall correctly the captain of BA38 was made out to have ‘frozen’ out fear by the cretins in the media simply because he kept the FO flying initially whilst he managed the situation in the short time that he had (something that is encouraged by the training department should the situation be appropriate).

 

[Quickstatus]

textbook

There is no evidence of a "textbook" evacuation - (that will be in the investigation report). Great outcomes does not mean best practice occurred. There is very good evidence that great outcomes are often also laced with human errors, communications failures, miscalculations, even procedural violations.

It is not the absence of negatives that determine the difference between failure and success (in fact there may have been many errors in that evacuation) but actually the presence of positives - in this context I suggest one possible positive which is the ability or capacity to quickly adapt in a chaotic and dynamic situation. There would be others - effective leadership, effective teamwork, communication, shared mental model between crew and passengers. None of these are in the "textbook" I'm not saying procedures should be thrown out the door but it can't be assumed that procedures alone determine success.

 

[leadman]

Pity its stablemate The Age was a bit better at reporting the topic. After three "PgDn", we found the story after the all-important 5 stories on cricket, the almost standard clickbait travel "best of 10", Domain.com and other pulpy rubbish. Sitting here 5kms from Haneda, we had to go to the NYT and ABC to find out what was happening after phone calls from home. As a subscriber to The Age, it has deteriorated over the past years to be not much better than the US tabloids that hide under the News Corp banner.

Channel 9 making a big fuss about having an exclusive interview with an Australian family who were on the JAL flight and recorded the evacuation on their phones, to be shown on 9 News tonight.

 

[moa999]

Painful too.

Suspect more painful if the heel catches the slide or hard biggy ground at the end of it when your ankle is travelling at a decent pace.

Like flip flops.. just not smart.

 

[justinbrett]

When do FAs usually change in/out of heels?

 

[milehighclub]

When do FAs usually change in/out of heels?

Most change once onboard, then again before disembarking.

Like flip flops.. just not smart.

There were reports of the SQ 6 incident that crew were missing their sandals after the evacuation. The new safety shoe was introduced a year later (although the process of designing this shoe had begun prior to SQ 6).

 

[DC3]

Or, before boarding, if they even wear such things:

 

[jb747]

Sitting here at MEL taxing out on a b738 and looking over at the dash 8s parked nearby, its also crazy to think that if it was a smaller plane and not a350, there was no way the JL plane wouldn't have taken major hull dmaage on impact. If it was JL166 next in sequence (b738) they too would've likely been smashed up.

I’m pretty certain that it did take major damage to the hull, basically though the entire cargo hold, and associated bays. I am very impressed though, by just how well it absorbed that damage. There can’t have been an intact frame (the ribs that go all the way around the fuselage) forward of the wings. It reminds me of how astounded we were when we saw the SFO 777 literally cartwheeling. The structural engineers at both Airbus and Boeing still know how to do their job.

I was in LA the day the 737 landed on the Metroliner, and it was a very sorry sight, but then it also hit a building.

 

[Seat0B]

100% agreed. Imagine the recovery from the emotional and psychological trauma of this incident will take years (assuming he can ever come to terms with it).

Yes it is a terrible set of circumstances.

 

[Seat0B]

Hopefully the video was taken after they were out of the plane, not whilst everyone was trying to leave.

From the ANA safety video (I don't actually think the JAL video explicitly mentions this)
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It’s sad to think that this even needs an explicit mention, but having seen the behaviour of the insta influencers I’m pretty sure you are right and it needs to be mentioned in all safety videos to make sure everyone has the best chance of a speedy and safe evacuation in an emergency.

 

[LondonAussie]

It thought it interesting some of the people who filmed onboard have said they did it because they thought the footage would be helpful to the accident investigators.

 

[Quickstatus]

some of the people who filmed onboard have said they did it because they thought the footage would be helpful to the accident investigators.

Maybe good if they get out in time
Useless if they dont