Jetstar in-air fight

[Pushka]

I read there were penalties for flying into DPS; probably the cost of detention, the cost of flying officials over and back to escort them home, the cost of tickets to fly them home. Fuel. Cost of other passengers' inconvenience?

 

[straitman]

I read there were penalties for flying into DPS; probably the cost of detention, the cost of flying officials over and back to escort them home, the cost of tickets to fly them home. Fuel. Cost of other passengers' inconvenience?

In other words a substantial cost to many people.

 

[Pushka]

In other words a substantial cost to many people.

Yup. Plus a lot of stress for everyone involved. I applaud the crews decision. Once blood is drawn from an assault it has gone too far.

These people were not silly teenagers but 'adult' men behaving badly enough in a street, let alone a plane. They showed no regard for others. And for that there needs to be consequences (punishment) for the culprits, as there was most certainly consequences for Jetstar and other passengers not of their making.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yup. Plus a lot of stress for everyone involved. I applaud the crews decision. Once blood is drawn from an assault it has gone too far.

These people were not silly teenagers but 'adult' men behaving badly enough in a street, let alone a plane. They showed no regard for others. And for that there needs to be consequences (punishment) for the culprits, as there was most certainly consequences for Jetstar and other passengers not of their making.

This is why we should hopefully get some more information about what really happened. Did JQ sell the passengers alcohol? Did they give them a warning to settle down or face the consequences of a diversion?

 

[Pushka]

This is why we should hopefully get some more information about what really happened. Did JQ sell the passengers alcohol? Did they give them a warning to settle down or face the consequences of a diversion?

A reasonable man would know/should know that throwing a punch on a plane would have consequences. Period.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

A reasonable man would know/should know that throwing a punch on a plane would have consequences. Period.

Sure - but there is also a school of thought that the punishment should fit the crime. Without knowing more details, I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime in this case.

 

[Pushka]

Sure - but there is also a school of thought that the punishment should fit the crime. Without knowing more details, I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime in this case.

I've read they are banned now on certain airlines. Seems about right. Cost recovery? If I do something that causes you financial loss you can claim that back through court.

 

[straitman]

This is why we should hopefully get some more information about what really happened. Did JQ sell the passengers alcohol? Did they give them a warning to settle down or face the consequences of a diversion?

Those who need to know already know. There is no need to retell the story to every individual who asks.

A reasonable man would know/should know that throwing a punch on a plane would have consequences. Period.

Absolutely.

Sure - but there is also a school of thought that the punishment should fit the crime. Without knowing more details, I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime in this case.

There is equal justification to believe that the punishment here does fit the crime. Do you really think that the aircraft captain elected to divert with all the associated complexities on a whim?

 

[mannej]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

The focus is mostly on the individuals. But I struggle with this blood-sport mentality where many, not remotely affected by what happened, are barracking for these passengers to face the full force of the law and/or be punished as severely as possible by the airline.

Were you on the plane? This is not some repulsive crime. No one was harmed. it was just rowdy behaviour. Personally I don't understand the thirst for punishment that many seem to have.

Whether I was on the plane or not is not relevant. I am honestly astounded that it is being described as just rowdy behaviour as this has no place whilst 40k feet in the air.

 

[Pushka]

I missed that description as it being just rowdy behaviour. Throwing punches and drawing blood is not rowdy behaviour in my land. As a female I would find that behaviour on land, dreadful and would call the police. On a plane? Terrifying if I was in the immediate location. Worried about extension if further back.
Ever heard of the 'one-punch can kill'? And why Sydney's 1am closure? And this was on a plane for gods sake!

 

[Melburnian1]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

Rumor has it that the total costs associated with the incident is around the $30,000 dollar mark.

An attempt will be made to recover these costs from the individuals involved.

This may be difficult since in other incidents these types of clowns may well have no or hardly any financial assets.

 

[Denali]

Re: Rumour:[Denied by RR] Qantas to ban JQ SYD-MEL pax from F lounges & send to J lou

This may be difficult since in other incidents these types of clowns may well have no or hardly any financial assets.

Theres always to Holden...

 

[Anna]

If I do something that causes you financial loss you can claim that back through court.

Well, hopefully. But it's not always that simple.

What about if I do something and in response you choose to do something that causes you financial loss?

 

[medhead]

Well, hopefully. But it's not always that simple.

What about if I do something and in response you choose to do something that causes you financial loss?

Like the lady who ran into me, and I then choose to hire a car while mind was under repair?

 

[Anna]

Like the lady who ran into me, and I then choose to hire a car while mind was under repair?

She was negligent, and caused property damage and so she bears the consequential financial loss to put you back in the same position while the property damage is repaired. So yes, like that lady if we are talking about negligence and property damage. But no if we're not.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

She was negligent, and caused property damage and so she bears the consequential financial loss to put you back in the same position while the property damage is repaired. So yes, like that lady if we are talking about negligence and property damage. But no if we're not.

You also can't go out and hire a Ferrari at $2000 a day just because someone ran into your car. You have a duty to be reasonable in mitigating your loss.

 

[Austman]

You have a duty to be reasonable in mitigating your loss.

In contract law.

The rest AFAIK is up to the Tribunal/Court.

 

[Anna]

You also can't go out and hire a Ferrari at $2000 a day just because someone ran into your car.

That's why I said 'put you back in the same position'. Which might well be a Ferrari @ $2,000 per day if your car was a Ferrari

You have a duty to be reasonable in mitigating your loss.

Fine as a comment about negligence, but not sure how it relates to the topic of the Jetstar in-air fight?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Fine as a comment about negligence, but not sure how it relates to the topic of the Jetstar in-air fight?

Jetstar is looking to recover for the cost of the diversion. Given they had several options, did they take the most appropriate option?

 

[Anna]

Jetstar is looking to recover for the cost of the diversion.

Jetstar will be up against several difficulties if they try to use the law of negligence to recover the cost of the diversion. So I'm still not seeing why negligence rules keep being raised in this thread. They aren't relevant.