JQ travel to earn FF points - for a Fee [even in 'Business']

[nlagalle]

Well I do like the changes except that I think the basic business fare should earn points and SC's. seems stupid that an economy fare can earn points but a more expensive J fare can't.

It's a less of a reason to fly JQ J for me...

 

[clifford]

Well I do like the changes except that I think the basic business fare should earn points and SC's. seems stupid that an economy fare can earn points but a more expensive J fare can't.

It's a less of a reason to fly JQ J for me...

I agree completely. I don't think I'll be booking any more "Business" tickets with JQ (I have four outstanding) and I do think that Qantas will be losing a lot of my business.

These changes are too tricky by half. Basically designed to squeeze a little more blood out of the stone.

 

[darklydreaming]

When I price MEL-BKK in StarClass the max bundle says $____. It is blank outbound, whether I choose a return or a one way. Does this mean its included in the $699 fare? If I choose a return its $200 extra for that sector BKK-MEL.

Yes I came across that as well late this afternoon. Thought it may have been a glitch.

 

[Wannabee]

BUt yess your entitled to em

I have no doubt that I am entitled to them but just how many hoops will I be required to jump through. Here is hoping that it happens automatically but if my itinerary that was just emailed to me is any indication then fare condition number 11 on the new itinerary is anything to go by "Business fare is not eligible to earn QFF points and SC"

 

[JohnK]

I, for one, was quite happy with the price/product as it was

Why wouldn't you be happy how it used to be? Wasn't it something like $700 for 240 SCs. That is not in line with any QF airfares and whilst flying Jetstar should come with some compensation the SC earning was unreasonable to say the least.

Reading through the thread I'm alarmed to see the bundle add-ons aren't a set amount extra but a fixed total that the ticket has to meet.

So a sale fare with SC's will end up costing the same as non-sale, rather than simply paying a couple hundred extra for the benefit.

Honestly what did you expect? That a 1c sale airfare + $25 would get you SCs and QFF points?

I believe QFF have got it right in that there is a minimum amount to spend before earning SCs and QFF points. For SYD-BNE that appears to be $104 which sounds about right considering that normal QF airfare is now $117. Why should anyone travelling Jetstar have better SC/$ earning ratios than QF mainline?

Not really.

It's simply $200 each way on top of the base 'business' fare - whatever that happens to be when you book.

So a sale fare of $499 will cost $699 and a $799 fare will cost $999 if you want points/SC's.

Are you sure? I believe there is a minimum amount required before one would be able to earn SCs. I think that is amount appears to be $899 but I could be wrong. So if the sale airfare is $199 for *class then you will still need to pay $899 to earn SCs and QFF points.

I only looked at MEL-SIN so that may well be misleading.

 

[kamchatsky]

So, the change finally has come.

Looking at the change, QF has finally "equalise" the QFF/SC earns between QF and JQ. Maybe JQ *C was too good at the first place, at sale prices. This will probably force people to fly QF again.

No real impact on me but was not surprised with all the venting going on here .....

 

[proskyneo]

So, the change finally has come.

Looking at the change, QF has finally "equalise" the QFF/SC earns between QF and JQ. Maybe JQ *C was too good at the first place, at sale prices. This will probably force people to fly QF again.

No real impact on me but was not surprised with all the venting going on here .....

With Qantas International losing money - they needed to have some way of getting people back into QF1-399. So they devalue their profitable international arm (assuming Jetstar International is profitable).

Good work

 

[pshepvic]

Well I do like the changes except that I think the basic business fare should earn points and SC's. seems stupid that an economy fare can earn points but a more expensive J fare can't.

It's a less of a reason to fly JQ J for me...

Totally agree with you here - would have been happy if it had been tiered (similar to how points are tiered on some partner airlines for discount business vs full business - eg. JAL)

I'd be happy with Full Economy or PE Earn for SCs and Points on the J fare, and then the Business Earn for SCs and Points on the J-Max fare. Would be a good compromise - I always thought that JQ earn rate was a bit high in Starclass, and I had said once before maybe it should be a bit more aligned with QF PE (considering closer pricing and service).

Does this also mean if you want to use points for a JQ J fare, that a reduced rate will apply, rather than being at the equivalent full QF J rates (for a lesser service)? Bet it doesn't, but it should!

 

[oz_mark]

Why wouldn't you be happy how it used to be? Wasn't it something like $700 for 240 SCs. That is not in line with any QF airfares and whilst flying Jetstar should come with some compensation the SC earning was unreasonable to say the least.

Not on any airfare I ever got. Why should it be in line with QF? Are the SC earnings any more unreasonable than YUPP or flying cheap J between Asian cities?

 

[JohnK]

With Qantas International losing money - they needed to have some way of getting people back into QF1-399. So they devalue their profitable international arm (assuming Jetstar International is profitable).

I don't think they have devalued Jetstar at all.

All they have done is said that for a certain price you can now have SCs and QFF points. The base airfare is still the same which I assume for the vast majority of Jetstar travellers it is great as they do not care about SCs or QFF points.

We need to remember that AFF is not indicative of the real world in any way shape or form. Most people will not waste time or money chasing points in loyalty programs....

 

[LiamR]

We need to remember that AFF is not indicative of the real world in any way shape or form. Most people will not waste time or money chasing points in loyalty programs....

+1 Not everybody, particually JQ pax, aren't after the miles, status or lounge access.

Remember we are dealing with Jetstar..... "Low Fares, Good Times!"

 

[turtlemichael]

When I price MEL-BKK in StarClass the max bundle says $____. It is blank outbound, whether I choose a return or a one way. Does this mean its included in the $699 fare? If I choose a return its $200 extra for that sector BKK-MEL.

One small piece of joy. I've just now changed a StarClass promo fare (MEL-BKK) to a Business Max fare. I needed to change dates. The ordinary business fare was, as quoted above, the same as the Max fare. Outcome is that the confirmation I have received says it is the Max fare so I am quite happy. Seems that in some cases (I have found more on the CNS-NRT route and there are probably other) the max fare can be the same as the non-earning J ordinary fare. I would suspect this won't last too long.

 

[proskyneo]

I don't think they have devalued Jetstar at all.

All they have done is said that for a certain price you can now have SCs and QFF points. The base airfare is still the same which I assume for the vast majority of Jetstar travellers it is great as they do not care about SCs or QFF points.

We need to remember that AFF is not indicative of the real world in any way shape or form. Most people will not waste time or money chasing points in loyalty programs....

At a minimum they have devalued J earning for promo Starclass fares - maybe brought it back more in line with QF, but still a devaluation.

For JQ pax in general, AFF might not be indicative of the real world, but because of the great earning on promo starclass fares previously (120 SC (1/3 the way to Silver with QFF) and ~4k? QFF points), I think a greater proportion of JQ Starclass pax would have appreciated being able to earn points and SC. After all, the QFF program does have 7.8 million members, so 1/3 of all people in Australia (probably a slight exaggeration) would have an interest in those points.

I do agree that most people wouldn't chase the points and SC, but I'm sure they would love to earn points slowly and redeem them, 1 Y seat at a time. On a side note, QFF is kicking these guys in the face as they will no longer have lifetime status credits accumulation for the loyalty bonus.

+1 Not everybody, particually JQ pax, aren't after the miles, status or lounge access.

Remember we are dealing with Jetstar..... "Low Fares, Good Times!"

Low fares, good times - people are still paying a lot more for Starclass promo fares than economy fares. My post is mainly regarding these JQ Starclass passengers.

 

[pshepvic]

I posted this in the other thread on the QF changes, but I think it's worth putting in here as well.

With the JQ Economy Saver now, not only do you have the opportunity of adding bundles with Points and so on, you also get a Seat as a standard inclusion!

 

[JohnK]

At a minimum they have devalued J earning for promo Starclass fares - maybe brought it back more in line with QF, but still a devaluation.

You do not need to agree with me but personally I do not think this is a bad thing. Anyone travelling *Class is now being rewarded with the appropriate amount of SCs.

Perhaps I am being biased loathing anything to do with Jetstar but it was extremely unfair that out of all QF/JQ flights that *Class was the best earner? A huge anomaly. e.g SYD-BNE is ~$700 for 40 SCs, SYD-PER is ~$1600 for 80 SCs whilst MEL-SIN is ~$400 for 120 SCs. Does not make sense at all.

Any reason why *Class should remain as the best earner?

 

[bladeau1981]

About the only thing I want to know about this is if I will be able to add on the Plus package at the airport or online after the ticket has been purchased by my employer. Guess it will take a while until someone needs to test this out. Won't be flying on J* for a while anyway but still interested to know. If I can't I will have to make sure I word up the receptionist to book the Plus fair if we have to fly J*.

 

[pshepvic]

Well since this change, my two JQ bookings now say "unable to change online, please contact the call centre".

I can't even work out what fare they have been converted to - one was a Jetsaver (ie. included bags - do they transfer this as a Starter fare and then I have to add Plus?) the other was a Jetflex (which included bags - does this get converted as a Max plus bags, seeing bags are no longer included as standard on the full Max fare without paying extra?)

Online it doesn't show the fare, and I can't do a dummy change to even see what they've done!

 

[serfty]

You do not need to agree with me but personally I do not think this is a bad thing. Anyone travelling *Class is now being rewarded with the appropriate amount of SCs. ...

What a load of Rubbish John!

Next thing you'll post is that SC's you have earned on discounted business CX travel within Asia via HKG are inappropriate and you are going to give them back to QFF! :shock:

 

[proskyneo]

What a load of Rubbish John!

Next thing you'll post is that SC's you have earned on discounted business CX travel within Asia via HKG are inappropriate and you are going to give them back to QFF! :shock:

Hahaha, I had a reply going into all sorts of ranges of airfares, but then I couldn't be bothered.

On this note however, I am only going to say that cheap SC gatherers like YUPP fares, or previously Starclass promo fares, or what it seems like discounted CX business travel : not everyone can use all of these and good or bad or fair or not, ONE cheap way of gaining SCs has been devalued - options are reduced and that is NOT a benefit

In line with QFF enhancements, but perhaps that does not need to be said

 

[Hvr]

Slightly off topic but still related to Jet*.

I got a reminder email the other day about my imminent *Class fare and saw this little gem:

Jetstar's New International Cashless Cabin

In recent times, Jetstar has recognised the convenience that credit card purchases can provide to its passengers. We are now conducting a cashless cabin trial onboard selected A330 international flights commencing this month. Your flight may be included in this trial. Customers who are wishing to make any purchases onboard will need to provide an accepted credit card - Mastercard, Visa, American Express and JCB card - no cash transactions will be accepted for the period of the trial. This applies to any onboard purchase of entertainment or other items. Jetstar will not impose any credit card surcharge on any purchases that you make on this aircraft for the duration of the flight. All charges will be in Australian dollars. You can also pre-purchase meal packs, entertainment and comfort packs up to 24 hours before departure.

Wonder if this will improve speed in this service.