Just when you thought you had seen it all in the Qantas lounge...

[RichardMEL]

I have been thinking about different attitudes.
I do care about the way some people dress and I don't fancy sitting next to a passenger in a tank top with hairy armpits exposed.
It seems to me it's all part of a general loss of standards in the
community. Just because some may not be concerned is not a
valid reason to allow inconsiderate behaviour (read dressing ).
Unwritten and written rules, commonly known as etiquette, have
developed for the good order and peaceful coexistence and an
understanding of others needs.

I see your username and perhaps this is an aspect here, but moving on..

if the person wearing a tank top with the hairy armpits is clean and those offensive hairy armpits don't smell how is this offensive dressing? Judgemental much? OTOH if someone's in pants, collared shirt/blouse and jacket yet has rather offensive BO is that more or less "offensive"?

See you've made a judgemental statement about someone based solely on what they're wearing and state of their armpits apparently and equated that to being bad "behaviour" - imo being judgemental of that is arguably poor behaviour in and of itself. If they're politely minding their own business and are clean etc how does that affect you?


I was also brought up where manners, or etiquette, also included minding one's own business and being respectful of others. tbh tank tops and the state of one's body hair is irrelevant to me (I may disagree if a lack of deodorant and armpi is stuck in my face, but that seems unlikely to occur - and even if it did that goes to personal behaviour regardless of clothing choices.)

 

[Quickstatus]

tank top and hairy armpits.

Active wear OK?

 

[dairyfloss]

Qantas' published dress guidelines for the Clubs and J lounges should cover most areas of concern that have been discussed here... though I guess part of the issue (?) is that they don't care for enforcing anything. In the future, perhaps a camera equipped with AI could scan lounge arrivals at check-in and make an impartial decision


Cheers,
Matt.

 

[Mr H]

Qantas' published dress guidelines for the Clubs and J lounges should cover most areas of concern that have been discussed here...

We are all aware of the dress guidelines. The debate has been around how/whether they are appropriate or just a reflection of a particular type of snob trying to keep out the poor.

 

[JohnK]

Active wear OK?

Noooo. Please nooo.

Society needs to upgrade dress standards back to a minimum of business casual.

I miss the days when people cared how they looked in public. Today it has become "I do what I want and stuff you if you don't like it". Oh well.

 

[Mr H]

Society needs to upgrade dress standards back to a minimum of business casual.

Why? And especially why for using public transport?

 

[Danger]

Qantas' published dress guidelines for the Clubs and J lounges should cover most areas of concern that have been discussed here... though I guess part of the issue (?) is that they don't care for enforcing anything. In the future, perhaps a camera equipped with AI could scan lounge arrivals at check-in and make an impartial decision

Enforcement is a big part of the issue, I feel. I was in the Regency Club at the Hyatt in Perth at Christmas. A child of around 10 years of age was in there with his parents and their friends. He was on a skateboard. In the lounge. And the lounge staff did nothing. This is the same lounge that requires no thongs, no swimwear, for example, yet every single night for a fortnight I noted people not adhering to these rules. The lounge lackies on $25 an hour earning a keep while studying aren't empowered (either by management or training (or both)) to do anything about it.

We are all aware of the dress guidelines. The debate has been around how/whether they are appropriate or just a reflection of a particular type of snob trying to keep out the poor.

A "particular type of snob" or a particular type of person with minimum standards of behaviour, common courtesy and social etiquette.

 

[DC3]

Active wear OK?

Maybe somewhat woofy.

 

[JohnK]

Why? And especially why for using public transport?

For the sake of standards and that way there are no questionable dress options.

Plus in my opinion it looks much better. I mean seriously bras in public to/from gym? I don't care they use some dumb "trendy" name for it but it's still a bra. One of the funny lines used by feminists is that men can walk around topless. Yes and what's the point?

 

[Mr H]

For the sake of standards and that way there are no questionable dress options.

Plus in my opinion it looks much better.

So the two reasons for having a dress code are:

1. because then we have a dress code; and
2. because it aligns with your personal taste.

These are not particularly compelling arguments.

One of the funny lines used by feminists is that men can walk around topless.

Except, it seems, in the Qantas lounge.

 

[Seat0B]

Maybe somewhat woofy.

only if it has been used for active activities . These days, people wear active wear for all sorts of things, not just exercise.
For a good laugh, see this hilarious but true video clip.

 

[DC3]

only if it has been used for active activities . These days, people wear active wear for all sorts of things, not just exercise.
For a good laugh, see this hilarious but true video clip.

But will it pass the sniff test?

 

[kyle]

Qantas' published dress guidelines for the Clubs and J lounges should cover most areas of concern that have been discussed here... though I guess part of the issue (?) is that they don't care for enforcing anything. In the future, perhaps a camera equipped with AI could scan lounge arrivals at check-in and make an impartial decision

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Cheers,
Matt.

See, what's clean hi-vis? Anything that has been worn is no longer clean.

 

[Mr H]

See, what's clean hi-vis? Anything that has been worn is no longer clean.

Hi-vis, self-evidently, is work wear worn by blue collar workers who would never be found in nice places like a Qantas Lounge.

Clean hi-vis is work wear worn by cashed-up blue collar workers who pay an absolute fortune to fly on monopoly routes where the introduction of a competitor airline and defection of said workers to that competitor would have a significant detriment to the Qantas bottom line - in which case all dress code rules and their flimsy pretexts go out of the window.

Qantas knows which side of its bread is buttered.

 

[dairyfloss]

See, what's clean hi-vis? Anything that has been worn is no longer clean.

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

 

[kyle]

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Both are unclean - Exhibit A with invisible dirt and Exhibit B with visible dirt.

 

[DC3]

Exhibit B:

Exhibit B looks just about ready for the Qantas Pub

 

[Quickstatus]

Hi-vis, self-evidently, is work wear worn by blue collar workers who would never be found in nice places like a Qantas Lounge.

Well, QF caters to a lot of the FIFO market

 

[Mr H]

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Both would appear to be wearing hi-vis and therefore inadmissible to such genteel surroundings as a Qantas lounge, but closer inspection of the platinum card in Exhibit B's pocket reveals him to be wearing clean hi-vis.

 

[JohnK]

So the two reasons for having a dress code are:

1. because then we have a dress code; and
2. because it aligns with your personal taste.

These are not particularly compelling arguments.

Beach/gym casual is also a dress code.

Society needs dress standards. That's not just my personal taste. It's the majority's taste. Company just sent another email reminding people what is acceptable in office. Should be no different in public.

When you start having free for all that is where society declines rapidly. You don't have to agree with me. I see it with my own eyes and not just dress standards.