KrisFlyer redemption rates increasing [from 5/7/22]

[Tiki]

The worst increase seems to be Australia - Turkiye. From 47/88/123 up to 54.5/101.5/141.5. I need a IST- BNE in May next year but not sure of the dates. And apparently I can’t lock it in against the rate rise. I used to use SQ for BNE-RAR which was a bargain at 25k rt. They are only going up to 27k but impossible to get seats on NZ. We were using VA for that route but they don’t fly there anymore.

 

[Mr H]

The worst increase seems to be Australia - Turkiye. From 47/88/123 up to 54.5/101.5/141.5. I need a IST- BNE in May next year but not sure of the dates. And apparently I can’t lock it in against the rate rise. I used to use SQ for BNE-RAR which was a bargain at 25k rt. They are only going up to 27k but impossible to get seats on NZ. We were using VA for that route but they don’t fly there anymore.

Australia to Central Africa is pretty steep too 47/88/126.5 up to 54.5/101.5/145.5. Flights within Central Africa go from 15/37.5/52.5 to 17.5/43.5/60.5. Exactly the area I was going to as it looked like a sweet spot on the redemption chart. But as with all previous enhancements, it will soon start to look like the new normal.

 

[theblank]

at least they are giving notice - not every business does that (to be fair not every business can)

 

[ninja-tim]

After reading the finer print, it seems Advantage rates aren't really being touched, especially for our sectors (1-9) and with the minimal availability of Savers now, it doesn't really affect us much. Seems like the devaluation already occured once restrictions lifted and most savers were taken or not even released to the general public.

 

[burmans]

The worst increase seems to be Australia - Turkiye. From 47/88/123 up to 54.5/101.5/141.5. I need a IST- BNE in May next year but not sure of the dates. And apparently I can’t lock it in against the rate rise. I used to use SQ for BNE-RAR which was a bargain at 25k rt. They are only going up to 27k but impossible to get seats on NZ. We were using VA for that route but they don’t fly there anymore.

Though this may change soon!

 

[Duffa]

Well the bonus 15% they gave for transfers will take care of these increases

What a positive disposition! It's give and take really, isn't it?
Like you, I think I'll just take this one on the chin. Still beats revenue fares.

 

[daft009]

What a positive disposition! It's give and take really, isn't it?
Like you, I think I'll just take this one on the chin. Still beats revenue fares.

Sure does! And we got *A gold too.

I was expecting these increases so not surprised one bit

Let's see what else I can book before the deval

 

[JessicaTam]

[mod hat]
Righto, let’s get back to the devaluation discussion … and *only* the devaluation discussion.
[/mod hat]

Discussion on awards availability has been moved:

Saver Awards to/from Oz appear to have dried up!

For weeks I've been browsing J seat availability from ZRH, AMS and FRA to either SYD or MEL and there has been lots of availability of Saver fares (non waitlist) from all 3 airports. Looking just now 99% are Advantage fares with an odd few Saver fares on wait-list. I usually look around...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

 

[serfty]

I had been looking at a SIN BKK KrisFlyer saver booking for November and had the option of VA or SQ for the points (same flight).

I noticed this week that VA have already increased their points for the route, so SQ it was.

 

[MathNerd]

Ticket Validity and Changing Dates (using current "pre-deval" rates)

As is commonly known (?), issued tickets usually have a ticket validity of 12 months from date of issue.

Say that a J award redemption is completed and ticketed on 1 July 2022, for travel in June 2023. Of course this redemption would be done at "pre-deval" rates.

If the ticket rules are followed, then the date of travel can be changed (pending availability of course) to any date 1 July 2023 or before. From what I understand, if the date is wishes to be changed to any later date, the ticket will need to be 're-issued', which then gives a new ticket validity.

The question is: How does this affect bookings made prior to the devaluation, and would a ticket reissue force a new redemption calculation, where more miles will be required?

Reading the FAQs:

3.
If I make changes to my ticketed redemption booking on or after 5 July 2022, which mileage level will apply?

Changes to flight date on or after 5 July 2022 will not require additional miles.

For example, a member has an Economy Saver redemption ticket issued before 5 July 2022 from Singapore to Bangkok for travel on 1 September 2022.

Member may change his flight date to 15 September 2022 after 5 July 2022 without paying additional miles*, provided award type and itinerary remains unchanged.

Other changes made to the itinerary on or after 5 July 2022 will be calculated based on the revised award levels.

For example, a member has an Economy Saver redemption ticket issued before 5 July 2022 from Singapore to London for travel on 1 September 2022.

After 5 July 2022, member would like to change his routing from Singapore to Paris. The miles required for the change in routing will be calculated based on the revised award levels.

*Additional service fee of USD 25 of 2,500 KrisFlyer miles will apply for selected services rendered offline by an Singapore Airlines office or reservations hotline.

However, it doesn't go into specifics about ticket validities, etc.

I can only assume there'd be a few people who would like to travel in the second half of 2023 using redemptions at the current rates, but due to the calendar not being open for those dates the only option is to make a booking for a randomly available date, and then change to the desired date when it becomes available.

 

[aikman]

Ticket Validity and Changing Dates (using current "pre-deval" rates)

As is commonly known (?), issued tickets usually have a ticket validity of 12 months from date of issue.

Say that a J award redemption is completed and ticketed on 1 July 2022, for travel in June 2023. Of course this redemption would be done at "pre-deval" rates.

If the ticket rules are followed, then the date of travel can be changed (pending availability of course) to any date 1 July 2023 or before. From what I understand, if the date is wishes to be changed to any later date, the ticket will need to be 're-issued', which then gives a new ticket validity.

The question is: How does this affect bookings made prior to the devaluation, and would a ticket reissue force a new redemption calculation, where more miles will be required?

Reading the FAQs:

However, it doesn't go into specifics about ticket validities, etc.

I can only assume there'd be a few people who would like to travel in the second half of 2023 using redemptions at the current rates, but due to the calendar not being open for those dates the only option is to make a booking for a randomly available date, and then change to the desired date when it becomes available.

I recently had an award ticket re-issued, with much difficulty I might add, to change my travel date beyond the initial 12 months.

The taxes were recalculated. I can only assume that points would be as well.

I expect that anyone wanting to change to a date beyond 12 months will be told, several times over, that they can't.

 

[ramboflyer]

I recently had an award ticket re-issued, with much difficulty I might add, to change my travel date beyond the initial 12 months.

The taxes were recalculated. I can only assume that points would be as well.

I expect that anyone wanting to change to a date beyond 12 months will be told, several times over, that they can't.

I'll be booking for travel to or from Europe in September 2023 using Krisflyer miles. Personally I'm happier to wait until the flights open up and cop the 10% extra miles (hopefully in J Saver seats). I rather do that than go through the hassle, risk and stress of booking now and trying to make changes later in the year.

 

[MathNerd]

I recently had an award ticket re-issued, with much difficulty I might add, to change my travel date beyond the initial 12 months.

The taxes were recalculated. I can only assume that points would be as well.

I expect that anyone wanting to change to a date beyond 12 months will be told, several times over, that they can't.

Thanks for your experience @aikman. I personally have been through the same too, I had a MEL-SIN-FRA J redemption booked for Dec 2022 (booked it in Dec 2021 when the calendar opened).
I wanted to change the travel date to May 2023, but also change the destination (BCN was preferred, but no availability so had to settle for CDG). Given that the ticket validity expired Dec 2022 *and* there was a change of destination, the process to change the ticket was quite a hassle as you've mentioned. A manual recalculation had to be completed etc.

I thought it was due to the change of destination coupled with the change of date that caused the hassle.

In your case, was it purely a date change beyond the initial 12 months or was it also an origin/desination/routing change too? One would think that a simple date change shouldn't be so complicated to process...

I'll be booking for travel to or from Europe in September 2023 using Krisflyer miles. Personally I'm happier to wait until the flights open up and cop the 10% extra miles (hopefully in J Saver seats). I rather do that than go through the hassle, risk and stress of booking now and trying to make changes later in the year.

I would love to do the same too, @ramboflyer - I, like you, would much rather avoid hassle, risk and stress. Alas, a 10% jump in miles is a bit too much to handle, I don't earn KF at nearly a rate fast enough to stomach such a jump (they're already hard enough to earn without any business spend etc). Let's see how the next few weeks pan out as we approach the date of deval.

Good luck all.

 

[aikman]

In your case, was it purely a date change beyond the initial 12 months or was it also an origin/desination/routing change too? One would think that a simple date change shouldn't be so complicated to process...

Date change only. Same origin/destination/flight numbers.

 

[ramboflyer]

I would love to do the same too, @ramboflyer - I, like you, would much rather avoid hassle, risk and stress. Alas, a 10% jump in miles is a bit too much to handle, I don't earn KF at nearly a rate fast enough to stomach such a jump (they're already hard enough to earn without any business spend etc). Let's see how the next few weeks pan out as we approach the date of deval.

Good luck all.

Fair call. I'm moving into my 70's this year and we've seen as much as we want to overseas. One more to the US and then a train journey through eastern Europe and then it's domestic only. I have just enough KF miles and QF points for J seats for 2 so I'm not worried about burning them all.

 

[Dr Ev]

Hot off the press, redemption rates are increasing.

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New charts are here https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/...RevisiontoKrisFlyerAwardChart&utm_content=CTA

Upgrade charts are also increasing and stopover rules altered.

Hot off the press, redemption rates are increasing.

View attachment 280010

New charts are here https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/...RevisiontoKrisFlyerAwardChart&utm_content=CTA

Upgrade charts are also increasing and stopover rules altered.

Ughhhh!
It’s hardly worth bothering with these programs any more.
Back in 2009 with my Westpac KrisFlyer Amex card I was getting 3 miles per dollar spend for the first 6 months. And I could use the card to pay my tax!
All these programs are being progressively degraded to the point of why bother?
The other problem is that there are more and more points and miles out there chasing less and less available seats.
Unless you can put company spend through a card it’s not worth the bother.
This game is basically over for me

 

[Mr H]

Ughhhh!
It’s hardly worth bothering with these programs any more.
Back in 2009 with my Westpac KrisFlyer Amex card I was getting 3 miles per dollar spend for the first 6 months. And I could use the card to pay my tax!
All these programs are being progressively degraded to the point of why bother?
The other problem is that there are more and more points and miles out there chasing less and less available seats.
Unless you can put company spend through a card it’s not worth the bother.
This game is basically over for me

Just as a personal data point: I am embarking on a One World Award redemption next month that includes 14 flights, all in business class, 34,910 miles with stopovers in three continents. Next year I am flying to London in SQ First Class, then flying from Europe to Africa via Doha in business class (two flights), then flying back from Africa with a stop over in Bangladesh - four flights all in business class.

All from collecting points and miles.

My perception is that it is easier to accumulate points now then it has ever been, and the prizes are fantastic and beyond anything I could ever afford with cash.

But YMMV.

 

[lonewolf]

Just as a personal data point: I am embarking on a One World Award redemption next month that includes 14 flights, all in business class, 34,910 miles with stopovers in three continents. Next year I am flying to London in SQ First Class, then flying from Europe to Africa via Doha in business class (two flights), then flying back from Africa with a stop over in Bangladesh - four flights all in business class.

All from collecting points and miles.

My perception is that it is easier to accumulate points now then it has ever been, and the prizes are fantastic and beyond anything I could ever afford with cash.

But YMMV.

OH really? From what i was told and what i read on the forums, I had missed the hey days of points and credit card churning etc. I was told back like 10-15 years ago, it was a lot easier and quicker to get enough points for business class flights than it is now (due to how much more points per dollar you got as well as churning through cards as well as the points having far more worth than they do now?).

I was also told, the longer you hold onto points without using them generally the less value you get out of them and the less worth they have which i made the mistake of myself...

 

[Dr Ev]

OH really? From what i was told and what i read on the forums, I had missed the hey days of points and credit card churning etc. I was told back like 10-15 years ago, it was a lot easier and quicker to get enough points for business class flights than it is now (due to how much more points per dollar you got as well as churning through cards as well as the points having far more worth than they do now?).

I was also told, the longer you hold onto points without using them generally the less value you get out of them and the less worth they have which i made the mistake of myself...

You can get the points, but they are worth less and less every year. And my gut feeling is there seem to be more points/miles out in the community.
CC sign up bonuses are still pretty generous, but the conversion rates (points or miles per dollar CC spend) keep worsening.
And seat availability is getting more difficult.

There is 100% no doubt frequent flyer programs are being progressively devalued

 

[daft009]

Scored 3 in J for Easter school holidays next year just now.. wasn't expecting to find anything TBH