Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[Pushka]

Well I hope they’ve nailed the Bali issue by next Sept then.

 

[cwphoto]

Public Servants travelling J not bad now I know where my tax paying dollars go. lol

I wouldn't have it any other way. Our leaders should be flying J.

 

[downgraded]

I wouldn't have it any other way. Our leaders should be flying J.

Why?

 

[Toad]

Well I hope they’ve nailed the Bali issue by next Sept then.

Me too going there again in August and definitely do not want to experience the debacle like last time. When you see a line from the front lav past the business dividers and then look down the back to see only two people lined up IMHO is poor management of the J class cabin. Travelling with the boss of the house this time and knowing what Mrs PJF is like if that happens there will definitely be some interesting dialogue exchanged with the CSM

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Why?

Because we need to offer conditions at least within cooee of their corporate counterparts or else all we'll attract are organ-grinders monkeys!

 

[JohnK]

Flew MEL-HBA in J this week and the crew were excellent and kept their eye on Economy passengers putting their bags in Business overhead bins and politely asked the pax to take them out and put them in bins above their seat as the bins in 1-3 are for Business passengers only.

Seriously? This is a childish thing VA crew are very good at policing. Qantas crew on the other hand use common sense.

I am usually the last person to board. If there's no room in the overhead bin above my seat and there's room in the overhead bins above business class then guess where my bags where will go? The bags won't be going behind me and if for some reason my bags end up behind me then nobody leaves until I get my bags.

 

[Toad]

Seriously? This is a childish thing VA crew are very good at policing. Qantas crew on the other hand use common sense.

I am usually the last person to board. If there's no room in the overhead bin above my seat and there's room in the overhead bins above business class then guess where my bags where will go? The bags won't be going behind me and if for some reason my bags end up behind me then nobody leaves until I get my bags.

I think the issue is that it happens when there is overhead space above their own seats. Also I have witnessed exactly that happen on a number of occasions where passengers in row 4 place their bags above row 3 on the 738 and then a J passenger having to put their bags above an economy row seat because of this. Some may consider that to be a DYKWIA attitude.That is not common sense and should be policed appropriately. In saying that I agree if there is no where else to put your bag then by all means go for it.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Seriously? This is a childish thing VA crew are very good at policing. Qantas crew on the other hand use common sense.

I am usually the last person to board. If there's no room in the overhead bin above my seat and there's room in the overhead bins above business class then guess where my bags where will go? The bags won't be going behind me and if for some reason my bags end up behind me then nobody leaves until I get my bags.

Sorry john, but this just sounds like a case of entitlement?

Passengers choose when to board, they choose the level of amenity they want... board early to get overhead space, or board late and have to find space, which may not be co-located with their seat. The latter, IMO, gives two options... either down the back of your ticketed cabin, or gate check.

One of the benefits of premium cabin travel is that you can board when you want, and have overhead space.

By extension of this thought, if your bags are behind you, why would you make everyone else wait for you? I know you have strong views on the demise of manners, surely you wait to retrieve your bag until a time when it is convenient for everyone else?

 

[Flying mermaid]

We were flying Turkish Air domestic in J and I saw some guys put their bags in an overhead space and then walk on. Some more guys arrived, found no room in their over head space, so took the bags out and left them in the aisle and then put their own bags in. Flight attendant picked up the bags, asked everyone in J if it was theirs and then marched down the plane until the bags were claimed and stowed. I got the impression it was a normal occurrence .

We generally travel with minimal hand luggage, so can store under the seat in front, so very rarely use overhead lockers. We avoid row 1 for this reason. It always amuses us to see people in row 1, huffing and puffing because they sometimes have to put their bags over row 3.

 

[Gold60]

i would think your bag/s should go above your seat, or as close as possible to it. This is what i do when on a plane. i would imagine the Y folk who put their bag in the J area, and then disappear into the bowels of the Y area, do so , so that they don't have to carry their bags all the way to their seat ?

I think the issue is that it happens when there is overhead space above their own seats. Also I have witnessed exactly that happen on a number of occasions where passengers in row 4 place their bags above row 3 on the 738 and then a J passenger having to put their bags above an economy row seat because of this. Some may consider that to be a DYKWIA attitude.That is not common sense and should be policed appropriately. In saying that I agree if there is no where else to put your bag then by all means go for it.

 

[JohnK]

Sorry john, but this just sounds like a case of entitlement?

Passengers choose when to board, they choose the level of amenity they want... board early to get overhead space, or board late and have to find space, which may not be co-located with their seat. The latter, IMO, gives two options... either down the back of your ticketed cabin, or gate check.

One of the benefits of premium cabin travel is that you can board when you want, and have overhead space.

Why is it entitlement? I want to board late and have space above to put my things. Laptop bag can go under seat but bag with daughters things can go above.

A very simple solution would be to ban all rollerboards as carryon items. And also limit the number of items each person can bring on board and gate cgeck the rest.

And expecting me in row 6 to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to deplane to collect my belongings above row 14 is silly and has nothing to do with manners. My belongings shouldn't be there in the first place if I'm sitting in row 6. And if there's space above business class when last to board? Use that space.

 

[TomVexille]

Why is it entitlement? I want to board late and have space above to put my things. Laptop bag can go under seat but bag with daughters things can go above.

A very simple solution would be to ban all rollerboards as carryon items. And also limit the number of items each person can bring on board and gate cgeck the rest.

And expecting me in row 6 to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to deplane to collect my belongings above row 14 is silly and has nothing to do with manners. My belongings shouldn't be there in the first place if I'm sitting in row 6. And if there's space above business class when last to board? Use that space.

entitlement
ɪnˈtʌɪt(ə)lmənt/
noun

• the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
  "no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"
  

 

[Toad]

Why is it entitlement? I want to board late and have space above to put my things. Laptop bag can go under seat but bag with daughters things can go above.

A very simple solution would be to ban all rollerboards as carryon items. And also limit the number of items each person can bring on board and gate cgeck the rest.

And expecting me in row 6 to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to deplane to collect my belongings above row 14 is silly and has nothing to do with manners. My belongings shouldn't be there in the first place if I'm sitting in row 6. And if there's space above business class when last to board? Use that space.

Sorry but as you posted above "I am usually the last person to board". If that is the case you may have reasons why you are last. If you do not and you have priority access to board why not board and get the advantage of what priority is all about and getting access to the cabin and overhead bins above your seat first. Problem solved.

On a recent flight a person done exactly that gets on last plonked his bag above row 3 sat in row 4. (Passenger was there on time as they were in the priority line but must of chosen to get on last)

The FA standing there took his bag out and put it above his seat as there was room and politely told him that it was now more easily accessible from above his location if need after takeoff. I may be wrong but there appears to be some form of strategy in play here. Hmmmm a sense of entitlement or DYKWIA.

Downside of getting on last and you have to put your bags somewhere else down the back and then have to wait to get off then so be it. Simple solution get on earlier if you are there.

If in J BYO curtain.

 

[downgraded]

Because we need to offer conditions at least within cooee of their corporate counterparts or else all we'll attract are organ-grinders monkeys!

And we'd no

Why is it entitlement? I want to board late and have space above to put my things. Laptop bag can go under seat but bag with daughters things can go above.

A very simple solution would be to ban all rollerboards as carryon items. And also limit the number of items each person can bring on board and gate cgeck the rest.

And expecting me in row 6 to wait 10-15 minutes for everyone to deplane to collect my belongings above row 14 is silly and has nothing to do with manners. My belongings shouldn't be there in the first place if I'm sitting in row 6. And if there's space above business class when last to board? Use that space.

Perhaps simply enforce the size and/or weight restrictions that are supposedly policy and much of the issue would go away.

 

[Toad]

And we'd no

Perhaps simply enforce the size and/or weight restrictions that are supposedly policy and much of the issue would go away.

And we'd no

Perhaps simply enforce the size and/or weight restrictions that are supposedly policy and much of the issue would go away.

Must say I travel QantasLink a lot also and they police this with vigour perhaps mainline could learn something from them..

 

[JohnK]

Hmmmm a sense of entitlement.

If you get on last and have to put your bags somewhere else down the back and then have to wait then so be it. Simple solution get on earlier if you are there.

If in J BYO curtain.

There is no sense of entitlement. I board late because I don't want to sit in a cramped seat in a claustrophobic cabin for longer than I need. It's why I like sitting up front and want to get out quick.

Only feel entitled to what I have paid for and that is my allocated seat and space above for my daughters things. I don't think it's fair that 3 rollerboards are taking up an entire overhead bin meant for 6 people. And sometimes the rollerboard belongs to the person across the aisle or rows behind but ends up here as there was no space where they were sitting.

It really is a simple solution highlighted by the post below yours.

And we'd no

Perhaps simply enforce the size and/or weight restrictions that are supposedly policy and much of the issue would go away.

That would work but sounds too simple to implement.

 

[Toad]

Sorry but as you posted above "I am usually the last person to board". If that is the case you may have reasons why you are last. If you do not and you have priority access to board why not board and get the advantage of what priority is all about and getting access to the cabin and overhead bins above your seat first. Problem solved.
On a recent flight I a person does exactly that gets on last plonked his bag above row 3 sat in row 4.
The FA standing there took his bag out and put it above his seat as there was room and politely told him that it was now more easily accessible from above his location. I may be wrong but there appears to be some form of strategy in play here. Hmmmm a sense of entitlement.

If you get on last and have to put your bags somewhere else down the back and then have to wait then so be it. Simple solution get on earlier if you are there.

There is no sense of entitlement. I board late because I don't want to sit in a cramped seat in a claustrophobic cabin for longer than I need. It's why I like sitting up front and want to get out quick.

Only feel entitled to what I have paid for and that is my allocated seat and space above for my daughters things. I don't think it's fair that 3 rollerboards are taking up an entire overhead bin meant for 6 people. And sometimes the rollerboard belongs to the person across the aisle or rows behind but ends up here as there was no space where they were sitting.

It really is a simple solution highlighted by the post below yours.


That would work but sounds too simple to implement.

Sorry JohnK I didn't mean you and the sense of entitlement. I was referring to the dude who I watched go through his "what I would call strategy" and got called out by the FA on it..Personally I have never seen rollerboards on a flight but have seen guitars.

 

[Gold60]

If the airlines can't/won't put the curtain/s back, perhaps people could take their own with them ??

You know, broad brimmed hat, hang an opaque curtain off it, like the beekeepers use. Problem solved, you can't see what is happening around you, after the safety induction of course !!! And life goes on for everyone else around you. Could work, honestly.... seriously...... for real !!!

 

[JessicaTam]

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[serfty]

Must say I travel QantasLink a lot also and they police this with vigour perhaps mainline could learn something from them..

Erm ... you do realise Qantas mainline domestically allow up to two 7kg 105cm rollaboards and a "personal item".