Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[Pushka]

Once mrsOpusman and I were on NZ ADL-AKL, back when they still had a proper business class. We were the only pax in J. Sometime after the meal service the hostie came up and very politely asked if we would mind if some pax from Y came up to use "our" toilet as there was only one working down the back and there was a rather large queue. Of course we said "yes" and the hostie then spent the next 20 minutes or so guarding the curtain, letting one pax up through our sacred space at a time. And then they gave us some airpoints vouchers to say thank you!

That’s a good story. It’s all about the asking, isn’t it and not assuming.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Aren’t they actually the same thing?

The origin is the same, people use it to mean the same thing, but no one seems to really know why the negative disappeared. There have been several articles trying to justify the use of 'I could care less', but somewhat less than convincing.

The negative (couldn't) is technically correct. Dropping the negative leaves the phrase with little sense, unless you accept it has become a common idiom.

 

[RichardMEL]

I sense a NZ 767 comment is afoot

 

[Pleb Status]

The magical rope in all its glory this afternoon. Too bad it did not keep the J pax out of Y. The rope should work in both directions!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

When the 2 carts are out for dinner at rows 6 and 8 on a full flight nobody is going to bat an eyelid about you using the front toilet.

And forget this nonsense about being prepared.

I guess this might go into the same category of 'gripes' similar to not liking flip flops, or clothes that are too revealing, or people who recline.

Unless a passenger has a legitimate need to use the forward WC (elderly, infirm, medical condition) - it's not unreasonable to ask other pax to respect the peace, quiet and convenience of the premium cabin.

A couple of things to consider:

• people regularly commute to work by train or car - they go before they leave home so are prepared for the journey. A plane isn't any different
• the meal carts appearing shouldn't come as a surprise to top tier pax - they are rolled out 10-15 minutes after take-off, so there is time before that to use the WCs in the ticketed cabin
• economy meal service is fairly quick, the carts will be cleared in 15 or so minutes
• the forward cabins may have additional amenities which aren't part of the economy product, especially on international

 

[durbrain]

Unless a passenger has a legitimate need to use the forward WC (elderly, infirm, medical condition) - it's not unreasonable to ask other pax to respect the peace, quiet and convenience of the premium cabin.

Agree. If one cannot control their bodily functions such that they regularly need to use an amenity they didn’t pay for, consider using a diaper.

 

[oz_mark]

Yeah, one makes sense and one doesn't.

True.Never understood why people say 'could care less'. I often reply with 'how much less?' Confuses them....

 

[JohnK]

I guess this might go into the same category of 'gripes' similar to not liking flip flops, or clothes that are too revealing, or people who recline.

I don't think it is the same. Sometimes we can control bodily functions and other times we cannot control bodily functions.

Last night 2 people from behind me in row 4 used the front toilet in the first few minutes after takeoff. They were welcomed by CSM and other crew member. Only one at a time. Then the carts came out and no one from economy used the front toilet again. If those 2 people went down the back they would not have been able to come back to their seats when the carts come out as a relatively full flight. They would have to wait about 15-20 minutes down the back. A little unfair.

I think you'll find most people are not unreasonable and don't want to disrupt those in business class.

 

[jeremyk]

Simples - reduces costs.

What cause the curtain cost so much to run?!?

 

[durbrain]

I don't think it is the same. Sometimes we can control bodily functions and other times we cannot control bodily functions.

Last night 2 people from behind me in row 4 used the front toilet in the first few minutes after takeoff.

Nope, don’t buy it. Why are 2 people needing to use the J toilets minutes into a flight? How do these people cope with commuting to work? Do they keep a bottle to urinate into in their car?

Accept that occasionally there are uncontrollable bowel ‘emergencies’ but the vast majority of the time it’s entitled lazy scum.

Seriously, plan ahead of time like the rest of society or use a diaper.

 

[Deleted member]

I hear “Could care less” when in the USA. In Oz, it’s “Couldn’t care less”. There’s probably a bit more to it though.

Ahhh. No there isn’t.
It is couldn’t care less, everywhere.

 

[docjames]

Nope, don’t buy it. Why are 2 people needing to use the J toilets minutes into a flight? How do these people cope with commuting to work? Do they keep a bottle to urinate into in their car?

Accept that occasionally there are uncontrollable bowel ‘emergencies’ but the vast majority of the time it’s entitled lazy scum.

Seriously, plan ahead of time like the rest of society or use a diaper.

It’s usually the five beers they’ve had in the QP that does it.....

 

[Deleted member]

It’s usually the five beers they’ve had in the QP that does it.....

And the lack of toilet facilities at airports. LOL

 

[Deleted member]

It has been quite a while since I saw a curtain on a domestic flight. We flew LOP-CGK in January on Batik air. They were very quick with the curtain.

 

[Denali]

Silk Air still has curtains and use them. We had the cabin to ourselves a few times so it was a bit lonely for a while.

 

[jeremyk]

it should be a wire fence....help give clearer definition to 'cattle class'....lol

 

[JohnK]

Nope, don’t buy it. Why are 2 people needing to use the J toilets minutes into a flight? How do these people cope with commuting to work? Do they keep a bottle to urinate into in their car?

LOL. Adult diapers.

There are toilets at train stations.

You leave the lounge to go and board and wait 10-15 minutes then you board and wait another 10-15 minutes. During the taxi there's another delay and before you know it there's another 20 minute delay like last night. Then take off.

The seat belt sign comes off almost 1 hour after leaving the lounge. You know people that can plan for those situations? Should they train their bladder?

At least this discussion isn't getting coughty.

 

[Pleb Status]

I remember regularly travelling TSV-ISA v.v. on the Macair SWM. A two hour RPT flight with no toilet facilities onboard at all.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

LOL. Adult diapers.

There are toilets at train stations.

You leave the lounge to go and board and wait 10-15 minutes then you board and wait another 10-15 minutes. During the taxi there's another delay and before you know it there's another 20 minute delay like last night. Then take off.

The seat belt sign comes off almost 1 hour after leaving the lounge. You know people that can plan for those situations? Should they train their bladder?

At least this discussion isn't getting coughty.

Nice try

Accept all of the timelines you have put forward. But the issue is... once the seat belt sign goes off, and before the carts roll down the aisle, that’s the time to head to the WCs.

Not wait until the carts come out so you can then decide you want to use the forward WC.

 

[tgh]

Nope, don’t buy it. Why are 2 people needing to use the J toilets minutes into a flight? How do these people cope with commuting to work? Do they keep a bottle to urinate into in their car?

Accept that occasionally there are uncontrollable bowel ‘emergencies’ but the vast majority of the time it’s entitled lazy scum.

Seriously, plan ahead of time like the rest of society or use a diaper.

As someone with a woolies bladder that has become even more fragile with age , I find this post offensive and discriminatory.
I have occasionally used a y toilet and was not surprised to find a fellow J passenger doing the same thing.
Hopefully the op will eventually find a situation is his or her life where a personal insufficiency will meet a similar lack of tolerance or care.