Let us know your most outrageous thoughts on any topic about flying

[drron]

ybe it was because they know me and how I complain about QF so they decided to show me it actually is possible

 

[juddles]

Now that is utterly outrageous. If you were paying that there is no wonder you want to enjoy not flying.

Crickey! Good God!! NO!!!!!!! I have never paid even close to that - almost all my long haul F has been awards tickets. My point was that such an F ticket is tecnically valued at the $10k +, but it is not in itself an experience that you would pay such alarming sums for if you did not have to get from A to B anyway. Another way to put it is that noone of sane mind would pay $10k for the sheer experience of a 12 hr flight in an F seat if the flight started and ended at the same point.

 

[pauly7]

Here is another pet hate of mine.......

A friend of mine and his wife, not frequent flyers by any stretch, but avid points hoarders, recently redeemed 2 years' worth of carefully hoarded points on EK F from Sydney to Dubai.

As QF Bronze members, this was their first ever visit to the QF First lounge, and first ever experience of First class.

I was completely gobsmacked by their dismissive review of the experience. Emirates F was not as good as they expected... the food wasn't great... the showers were "tiny"... the IFE was just "OK"... the bar was "small"...

Depends what their comparative is. Food for example, any airline F food is of course going to pale in comparison to decent restaurants on the ground.

That’s why I find people gushing about F and J food quite funny because I’m quite a foodie and any airline at 36000 feet has yet to impress me, I just eat to survive, pass the time before I have to do more work when I’m flying.

 

[TonyHancock]

...My point was that such an F ticket is tecnically valued at the $10k +....

By whom? I ask because I don't consider myself a frequent flyer but i have never paid more than $6k for long; haul F return.

 

[Forg]

Someone must pay RRP for F?

 

[pauly7]

Someone must pay RRP for F?

I wonder who? Definitely not corporates. Definitely not any half decent TA.

 

[juddles]

By whom? I ask becaue I don't consider myself a frequent flyer but i have never paid more than $6k for long; haul F return.

Jesus TonyHancock, are you looking to argue?

I agree that such tickets are not worth the dollar value. That is my point. But try to get a F long haul from Australia to the USA or Europe without using points - that is what they actually cost. If you can point me to where I can buy a F ticket on Emirates or QF from Sydney to LHR for $6k return, I would really love to know it.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I mean - Swiss Air? What kind of network do they have? Who transits through Zurich? What kind of infrastructure at a Swiss airport could even rival HKG or DXB??? Once again - I have not flown them - but a quick analysis of fleet size and number of routes makes having the best of anything a strange business proposition, right?

Perhaps they were listening to you Review: Swiss First Class on the Boeing 777-300ER

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Jesus TonyHancock, are you looking to argue?

I agree that such tickets are not worth the dollar value. That is my point. But try to get a F long haul from Australia to the USA or Europe without using points - that is what they actually cost. If you can point me to where I can buy a F ticket on Emirates or QF from Sydney to LHR for $6k return, I would really love to know it.

From Australia, not 6K but the bottom has fallen out of the Aussie. Still, there are bargains... Qatar is currently offering SYD-Europe for 10K return on their A380 in F. That's 24 hours each way (actually cheaper than QF/EK business)

(Sample date SYD-CDG 17-26 September - QR 'first promo')

 

[juddles]

From Australia, not 6K but the bottom has fallen out of the Aussie. Still, there are bargains... Qatar is currently offering SYD-Europe for 10K return on their A380 in F. That's 24 hours each way (actually cheaper than QF/EK business)

(Sample date SYD-CDG 17-26 September - QR 'first promo')

aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!! why is it so hard to voice an opinion without endless debates?? I am so unable to express an idea. This is NOT about the specific costs of a flight. It is (from my angle) about how F flights are just expensive ways to make long haul travel more palatable. At obscene costs.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Oh. I get what you mean now. But doesn’t the same logic apply to $500+ menus at the fat duck, or buying a ferrari?

 

[RooFlyer]

aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!! why is it so hard to voice an opinion without endless debates?? I am so unable to express an idea

There ARE the words "outrageous thoughts" in the thread title, after all ...

 

[TonyHancock]

Jesus TonyHancock,

Just TonyHancock is fine

I agree that such tickets are not worth the dollar value. That is my point. But try to get a F long haul from Australia to the USA or Europe without using points - that is what they actually cost. If you can point me to where I can buy a F ticket on Emirates or QF from Sydney to LHR# for $6k return, I would really love to know it.

I understand what you are attempting to say but I would counter that by saying that there are ways to reduce prices by being smarter with frequent flyer schemes, routings and airlines. i wouldn't even think about QF* on grounds of price alone. I am fortunate that my travel is known months in advance and is predominantly to Europe so i get to take advantage of ex EU fares and the BAEC to fly return trips in F ^for about $4.5k. I understand my situation may be unique but on AFF there is a lot of good information to enable a savvy FF to fly at the correct end of an aircraft cheaply.


*Sid James is still accepting patients at his Frequent Flyer Stockholm Syndrome clinic.
^I have flown 40 QF F sectors and over 60 BA F sectors in the last 10 years and in my experience there is little to choose between them. Neither meet the ME airlines' standards.
# If I was being argumetative and pedantic, something I usually enjoy, I might argue that SYD-LHR return is a little longer than 12 hours but this adds little to the debate....so obviously I'll add it anyway.

 

[TonyHancock]

I am so unable to express an idea.

I get like that some times. The old writers block usually hits me during daylight hours. I find a good stiff Dry Martini gets me back on track.

Oh. I get what you mean now. But doesn’t the same logic apply to $500+ menus at the fat duck, or buying a ferrari?

Yes I see now......I think. I believe we are only a couple of posts away from some way addressing the issue as a First World Problem.

The logic can be applied to pretty much everything we pay for....to the extent that we should live in single room mud huts and eat rice and beans*. Ultimately it is all relative one persons $10k round the world F is the same as another’s $300 Fred Perry steak or $5000 suit/dress/etc.

Reminds me of that famous song What a World from the early 1960’s. Benny Hill at his best.

* NB Not expensive posh beans.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes I see now......I think. I believe we are only a couple of posts away from some way addressing the issue as a First World Problem.

The logic can be applied to pretty much everything we pay for....to the extent that we should live in single room mud huts and eat rice and beans. Ultimately it is all relative one persons $10k round the world F is the same as another’s $300 Fred Perry steak or $5000 suit/dress/etc.

Back in one of Juddles' posts he says the 'experience', on its own, of flying F wouldn't be worth it... as in if some company was offering $10K joyrides just to experience F you wouldn't take it. You only pay it because you need to get from A to B anyway. I dunno - maybe of the joyride was 1 hour, for $1000, people would take it to cross it off the bucket list.

 

[TonyHancock]

Back in one of Juddles' posts he says the 'experience', on its own, of flying F wouldn't be worth it... as in if some company was offering $10K joyrides just to experience F you wouldn't take it. You only pay it because you need to get from A to B anyway. I dunno - maybe of the joyride was 1 hour, for $1000, people would take it to cross it off the bucket list.

I think BA used to do that with Concorde. I believe there were plenty of takers in the corporate world.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think BA used to do that with Concorde. I believe there were plenty of takers in the corporate world.

Indeed. I was actually thinking about that. But the opportunity to fly supersonic would actually be an experience that you'd pay for as a joyride!

 

[Forg]

Concorde being so exxy to get into the air ... and given the only commercial route they had was (what) 5hrs long ... ie. that being the time they were already putting a ‘plane in the air ... did the 1hr joyride end with a parachute & a swim?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Concorde being so exxy to get into the air ... and given the only commercial route they had was (what) 5hrs long ... ie. that being the time they were already putting a ‘plane in the air ... did the 1hr joyride end with a parachute & a swim?

There were plenty of Concordes Around 14 of them. A couple of them did the scheduled TATL flights each day. BA's JFK services were 3 hours and change, and the Barbados flight - also regularly scheduled, was just under 4 hours.

Then there were the charters. Lots of those.

I found a post where someone said they paid USD700 for a Concorde joyflight in 2000, but they didn't make it as Concorde was grounded by the time their flight was due.

 

[Max Samuels]

I’ve never seen F return to Europe on EK or QF for less than $10k. Sometimes it’s $11k. But I’ve never seen it less than $10k

I want screenshots as proof