Locking the J toilet door

[FrustratedQP]

Qantas now, almost always, announce that the loo at the front of B737s is for J pax and the two at the rear are for the Y pax. If you are prepared to break the rules what other rules are you prepared to break, perhaps taking the time to take your hand luggage in an emergency, risking the lives of others? I know this is an extreme example but where is the line. The rules are the rules.

J pax have paid for the use of the J cabin and Y have paid for the use of the Y cabin.

My wife hates it when she is trying to eat her meal when the backsides of pax are in her face because pax are lining up to use the J loo. This has happened a number of times. We pay a premium to avoid this.

 

[Quickstatus]

At least once, they serviced the loo after it was used.

Was there was something wrong with the loo ?

We pay a premium to avoid this.

I think people expect more benefits than are actually attached to the ticket. I see nothing in QF's marketing or for that matter any other airline regarding that entitlement being attached to the ticket. Toilets are not mentioned either.

 

[Denali]

Just like I do when I rush the scanner on boarding annoucement, when approaching the toilet I will now flash my boarding pass so everyone knows my butt is special enough to grace the forward toilet seat

 

[FrustratedQP]

Was there was something wrong with the loo ?


I see nothing in QF's marketing or for that matter any other airline regarding that entitlement being attached to the ticket.

Perhaps you’re not privy to Qantas policy regarding this. It seems to now be a universal announcement suggesting strongly that staff have been directed to make that specific announcement. Perhaps you should try to use the F toilets when in Y and see how that goes, I’m not sure there is any marketing regarding that entitlement in QF’s marketing either. Some things should be assumed.

 

[tgh]

A recent ride was an emirates 380 Dxb>Bne.
Refurbished cabin but now only four dunnies upstairs in J.
The flight was barely a quarter full but even so the dunnies were occasionally queued.
Leads to waste management challenges for this octogenarian ; who would not hesitate to pee on the floor in the rear longe when faced with the other option.
Airlines assume every passenger has the function and acuity of a teenager, cabin staff ask for meal orders sotto voice , do not respond to requests for increased clarity, and must be pre programmed to ignore the hearing impaired…
Herewith endeth the rant….

 

[justinbrett]

Was there was something wrong with the loo ?


I think people expect more benefits than are actually attached to the ticket. I see nothing in QF's marketing or for that matter any other airline regarding that entitlement being attached to the ticket. Toilets are not mentioned either.

It’s not the loo itself that’s the issue, it’s your entry to a cabin you’re not entitled to be in.

No different from entering the lounge to use the toilets there.

That’s why they have curtains on widebodies, and I believe a sign saying do not proceed into the business cabin except in an emergency. This also applies to J pax entering F cabins, it’s not permitted and just because a FA doesn’t pull you up doesn’t mean you haven’t done something wrong.

On many airlines they will close the curtains after landing to ensure nobody gets out before pax of a higher cabin.

It’s the removal of curtains on narrowbodies causing the issue - I don’t recall it being a problem when there was a full length curtain there.

 

[Quickstatus]

it’s your entry to a cabin you’re not entitled to be in.

No, there is no entitlement to the space around your seat. The cabin crew can allow or disallow people's movement in an airplane.
There is no rule that prevents a passenger to ask nicely to use a vacant toilet up front

No different from entering the lounge to use the toilets there.

Hmm, a lounge has specific and clear entry requirements in the airline's website . Not for a toilet.

believe a sign saying do not proceed into the business cabin except in an emergency

I've never seen it.

On many airlines they will close the curtains after landing to ensure nobody gets out before pax of a higher cabin.

That is just to ensure an orderly exit. Most just have a cabin crew standing there. Nothing to do with toilets

just because a FA doesn’t pull you up doesn’t mean you haven’t done something wrong.

If a CC does not pull me up, and they are aware because I asked, then I have not done anything wrong. If they were not aware and there were no signs preventing movement /entry, or if I have not intruded into crew only areas, then no, I have no done anything wrong either

 

[Horatio]

So if the J one is occupied (using 737 example), J pax cannot use the Y one.

Some people would certainly think so. It was discussed at some length in 'The Hero' (Curb Your Enthusiasm S8 Ep6).

 

[justinbrett]

No, there is no entitlement to the space around your seat. The cabin crew can allow or disallow people's movement in an airplane.
There is no rule that prevents a passenger to ask nicely to use a vacant toilet up front


Hmm, a lounge has specific and clear entry requirements in the airline's website . Not for a toilet.

I've never seen it.


That is just to ensure an orderly exit. Most just have a cabin crew standing there. Nothing to do with toilets


If a CC does not pull me up, and they are aware because I asked, then I have not done anything wrong. If they were not aware and there were no signs preventing movement /entry, or if I have not intruded into crew only areas, then no, I have no done anything wrong either

Again, the issue is entry to the cabin, not the toilets themselves. You can always ask but your posts haven't been saying that, you've been arguing any pax should be able to use any toilet (and thus enter any cabin).

Found a photo




I seem to recall on flights to/from the US that they also say it's a US DOT requirement for pax to remain within their own cabin?

 

[FrustratedQP]

If a CC does not pull me up, and they are aware because I asked, then I have not done anything wrong. If they were not aware and there were no signs preventing movement /entry, or if I have not intruded into crew only areas, then no, I have no done anything wrong either

If you ask then sure, but they have already announced to you who are to use which toilets so yes, if you don’t ask, you are doing something inconsistent with their directions and therefore, wrong.

 

[FrustratedQP]

From the Captain himself.

 

[Quickstatus]

if you don’t ask,

Im my case there were no announcements that J can't go down stairs. I asked, they were chilled about it, even asked me if I knew where to go. If I didn't ask and they were similarly chilled then no wrong done either.

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From the Captain himself.

"Etc" also applies plus the following sentence

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Im my case there were no announcements that J can't go down stairs. I asked, they were chilled about it, even asked me if I knew where to go. If I didn't ask and they were similarly chilled then no wrong done either.

"Etc" also applies plus the following sentence

But why do you need to ask if you believe you are entitled to use them?

 

[tgh]

To be fair, I have travelled with my little bladder many times to the y cabin, and a few times to F.
Imo..most cabin staff react positively to obvious discomfort and probably negatively to an entitled approach….seems fair….
Peeing on the floor should , perhaps, be reserved for the seat adjacent to self appointed cabin class boundary riders...

 

[Quickstatus]

But why do you need to ask if you believe you are entitled to use them?

I don't feel entitled at all- to the contrary. That's why I asked. There is a difference between loos being available to everyone and being "entitled". j pax who feel the certain loos are "reserved" for them are self "entitled" because nothing in the marketing of a J/F seat confers any entitlement to anything other than what the marketing describes.

 

[FrustratedQP]

There are announcements, there are pictures of signs, the Captain (JB747) has spoken, surely, despite what some people want, this matter can be put to bed.

 

[justinbrett]

I don't feel entitled at all- to the contrary. That's why I asked. There is a difference between loos being available to everyone and being "entitled". j pax who feel the certain loos are "reserved" for them are entitled in the correct sense of the word because nothing in the marketing of a J/F seat confers any entitlement to anything other than what the marketing describes.

I would say "could be made available to everybody with a compelling reason to require them instead of those in their own cabin", not "available" carte blanche.

Again again again, it's not the loo, it's you entering a cabin you're not permitted to enter without permission.

There's plenty of marketing relating to the business / first class cabins. On many airlines they have elevated amenities in the loos located within those cabins.

 

[Quickstatus]

it's you entering a cabin you're not permitted to enter without permission.

But I did have permission. Importantly, I didnt need permission of the F pax. Likely they didn't know as the F loos are forward of the F cabin.

 

[Quickstatus]

There's plenty of marketing relating to the business / first class cabins.

Most don't say anything about J /F loos being reserved for like passengers. Certainly nothing in QF which is what this post started with.

 

[FrustratedQP]

I’m out.