Locking the J toilet door

[ols]

Peeing on the floor should , perhaps, be reserved for the seat adjacent to self appointed cabin class boundary riders...

And Molly Meldrum

 

[drron]

Most don't say anything about J /F loos being reserved for like passengers. Certainly nothing in QF which is what this post started with.

Sorry then you haven't been listening on most of your domestic flights in Australia. VA always mention Y pax down the back and QF only occasionally miss doing that.

I have been in Y on occasions on the 737 and the line of pax waiting for the J loo was past my seat in Row 4. On the other hand I witnessed a woman in Y with a toddler ask if she could use the J loo as she needed to change the child. Told firmly do that down the back.

 

[Quickstatus]

VA always mention Y pax down the back and QF only occasionally miss doing that.

Thats the Cc directive. I was referring to QF marketing

 

[Daver6]

Most don't say anything about J /F loos being reserved for like passengers. Certainly nothing in QF which is what this post started with.

Every single QF 737 flight I've been on they announce that the loo at the front is reserved for J pax and two are the rear for economy pax.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thats the Cc directive. I was referring to QF marketing

It’s actually easy to overlook as it’s in the heading rather than the general text: https://www.qantas.com/au/en/qantas-experience/travel-classes/business.html

But one of the first things it says is:

Business​

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A superior way to fly. For work or play, explore Business with more space to relax, a dedicated cabin, lounge access and our friendly cabin crew ready to look after you.​

My bolding, but a ‘dedicated cabin’ is right up there.

 

[Doug_Westcott]

Every single QF 737 flight I've been on they announce that the loo at the front is reserved for J pax and two are the rear for economy pax.

When I have flown they announce that for the passengers in the main cabin there are two toilets at the rear, but there is no mention of the front toilet being for business class passengers.

 

[tgh]

Must be approaching time to evacuate this thread….

 

[clifford]

Seen it several times on non-QF flights! Especially the WCs on wide bodies between the J and Y cabins.

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Agree… and hopefully the crew share your empathy.

Y pax blocked by cart in the aisle… not so much. Planning is the key there. Go before or after.

Based on your comments I'm not sure if you indeed do share their empathy. As an elderly person myself, and who could also be a Y pax blocked by the cart, I could find myself in a similar situation (having a wee bit less control of my bodily functions) and then be frowned upon by someone.

But there are still quite a few nice, understanding pax around in this part of the world at least, although they do seem to be a dying breed overall.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Based on your comments I'm not sure if you indeed do share their empathy. As an elderly person myself, and who could also be a Y pax blocked by the cart, I could find myself in a similar situation (having a wee bit less control of my bodily functions) and then be frowned upon by someone.

But there are still quite a few nice, understanding pax around in this part of the world at least, although they do seem to be a dying breed overall.

My posts are quite clear that those needing to use a WC for good reason should be allowed to do so. And I have never seen any behaviour by crew to the contrary. Or pax complaining in those circumstances.

But frequent flyers in the first few rows of the main cabin. They know the drill. 10-15 mins free time after takeoff to use the WC. If not, it might be 10 mins till the aisles are clear of the carts again.

 

[Quickstatus]

It’s actually easy to overlook as it’s in the heading rather than the general text:

The same airline must then think that F does not need their own dedicated cabin...

My posts are quite clear that those needing to use a WC for good reason should be allowed to do so

The only difference between you and me is that I go further and say WC should be open to all passengers irrespective of class.

 

[TheRealTMA]

The same airline must then think that F does not need their own dedicated cabin...


The only difference between you and me is that I go further and say WC should be open to all passengers irrespective of class.

Completely disagree. Just couldn’t stand entitled Emerald City people coming down and queuing for F toilet on QF A380 when I wanted to use it. If you want the resource then pay for it. Same for J and Y on domestic etc.

 

[anat0l]

The only difference between you and me is that I go further and say WC should be open to all passengers irrespective of class.

Are you saying the front WC should be open to all passengers (regardless of class) as a carte blanche right to exercise, or just in the general sense (i.e. and people should exercise restraint and sensible conventions in doing so)?

A bit like saying we all have the right to say whatever we want, but that doesn't mean we all go around yelling accusatory and belligerent bile at each other, just because we can.

 

[Quickstatus]

Are you saying the front WC should be open to all passengers (regardless of class) as a carte blanche right to exercise, or just in the general sense

I have never said passenger should have "carte blanche" access in any sense - the CC have complete control of the cabin. Straw man arguments do not progress the debate.

A bit like saying we all have the right to say whatever we want, but that doesn't mean we all go around yelling accusatory and belligerent bile at each other, just because we can.

Hmm no, sorry to say, that is another straw man argument.

Completely disagree

According the QF marketing,
F does not have a dedicated cabin

But maybe you are referring to the 2nd paragraph, sure, this topic has polarising opinion for years.

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[Quickstatus]

Completely disagree

According the QF marketing,
F does not have a dedicated cabin

But maybe you are referring to the 2nd paragraph, sure, this topic has polarising opinion for years.

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[anat0l]

I have never said passenger should have "carte blanche" access in any sense - the CC have complete control of the cabin. Straw man arguments do not progress the debate.


Hmm no, sorry to say, that is another straw man argument.

Well I'm sorry for misrepresenting you, but I can't understand what your position is.

All I think I can ascertain is that you say that the front WC shouldn't be restricted to only J class (keeping this easy by only referring to a 737). Beyond that, now I don't know what you're insinuating what that means as a matter of procedure and convention; in particular, to keep this relevant to the start of the thread, what are your thoughts on the cabin crew (who you imply have complete control over the cabin) deciding to lock the front WC and only opening it when required and for certain people only (which seemed to be only Business Class passengers).

 

[TheRealTMA]

According the QF marketing,
F does not have a dedicated cabin

But maybe you are referring to the 2nd paragraph, sure, this topic has polarising opinion for years.

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lol. You’re just trying it on here. People know specifically if they are trying to use facilities outside the class they have booked. Self entitled it’s called.

 

[Quickstatus]

All I think I can ascertain is that you say that the front WC shouldn't be restricted to only J class

Yes. Thats all I'm saying as per post #5:

Loos should be available to everyone on the airplane irrespective of ticket price.

it's a starting point for the conduct of the cabin.
How that actually happens on a particular flight is always deferred to the cabin crew's judgement and authority.

You’re just trying it on here

No. I am just proposing a different way of thinking about aircraft loos.

I suspect we can all agree to disagree - not a lot more can be said.

 

[XWu]

Sorry then you haven't been listening on most of your domestic flights in Australia. VA always mention Y pax down the back and QF only occasionally miss doing that.

I have been in Y on occasions on the 737 and the line of pax waiting for the J loo was past my seat in Row 4. On the other hand I witnessed a woman in Y with a toddler ask if she could use the J loo as she needed to change the child. Told firmly do that down the back.

I agree about the announcement re which loo is for who.

I have been hearing it for years, at least 2-3 decades. Usually it’s the first few minutes of the routine announcement right after seat-belt sign is turned off after the plane level off from take-off. And for domestic flights with J class and single aisle metal, it’s the front for the business class and back for the Y class.

Quite surprised when anyone says they weren’t told. If the announcement didn’t include the loo bit, the CSM weren’t reading the card properly (even though most would know it by hard )

 

[kpc]

3 schools of thought here about the front toilet on a 737 and we are going round in circles now:
1. Y pax cannot use the J toilet
2. Y pax can use the J toilet
3. Y pax can use the J toilet under certain circumstances

Maybe rather than locking the J toilet, we should lock this thread now....

 

[chiken_nugets]

Maybe rather than locking the J toilet, we should lock this thread now....

Rather think we should be locking the Y toilets to keep the J passengers out.

Hopefully an air marshal will arrest any J passengers who dare cross into the cabin for which they are not ticketed.