Malaysian Airlines MH17 Crashes in Ukraine

[whatmeworry]

Do the sanctions also target Putin? Russia claims he is only worth $700K but he wears a $150K watch. Some reports claim Putin is worth $70 billion!
How Vladimir Putin Stashed Away A Secret $70 Billion Personal Fortune | Celebrity Net Worth

 

[drron]

The Australians have actually got to the crash site overnight-
https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM

Instagram outs a Russian soldier operating inside Ukraine-
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/does-this-soldiers-instagram-account-prove-russia-is-covertl

Vanity Military Selfies Are Spoiling Russia’s Attack in Ukraine · Global Voices

And the Russians are getting back against the West.Reports now of 5 expedition ships denied access to Siberia despite all the proper paperwork.Here is the report of the first-
Russian FSB bans eighty five cruise passengers coming ashore in Chukotka

 

[medhead]

That russian soldier's on his way to a gulag now.

 

[Danger]

The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet has confirmed a national day of mourning on 7 August.

 

[Major]

An interesting piecing together of MH17. Some sections of humanity have much to answer for.

Map of a Tragedy: How Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Came Apart Over Ukraine - WSJ.com

 

[Major]

One German pilot postulates that MH17 may have been shot down by an SU 25

Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” | Global Research

 

[whatmeworry]

Looks the Australia and Holland will wrap up the MH17 investigation.
MH17 crash: Australian, Dutch governments halt search amid worsening fighting

 

[mannej]

One German pilot postulates that MH17 may have been shot down by an SU 25

Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile” | Global Research

I posed the article to a pilot friend of mine. A colleague of his responded with this.

cont.

 

[drron]

A map of the fighting in the Ukraine over the last month.You can see how the front line is now very near the MH17 crash site.
The translation says September instead of August.The MH17 site is the plane in flames.
www.radiosvoboda.org/media/photogallery/25456177.html - Translator

No wonder everyone has pulled out.

 

[OATEK]

The seemingly inevitable has come about:

Malaysia Airlines to be privatised after plane disasters

 

[Himeno]

The seemingly inevitable has come about:

Malaysia Airlines to be privatised after plane disasters

Not quite sure how an investment fund owned by the government can be considered "private"...

 

[serfty]

Not quite sure how an investment fund owned by the government can be considered "private"...

Not completely owned - the government are buying the remaining ~30% - see the actual thread: http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/malaysia-airlines-enrich/mh-delisted-62151.html.

 

[drron]

Malaysia thinks of prosecutions over the shooting down of MH17-
Malaysia Says Intelligence Reports on Flight 17 Crash 'Pretty Conclusive' - WSJ

And Europe considering more cooperation on intelligence sharing-
European Air-Safety Body Calls for Improved Information Sharing - WSJ

 

[defurax]

If Russia closes its airspace to North American and European airlines in retaliation to the latest round of sanctions I wonder how many days it will take for AY to declare bankruptcy...or maybe not even a day:shock:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=hel-nrt,+hel-hkg,+hel-sin

 

[Danger]

I was back on MH a few days ago and very happy to have been doing so. I'm never been blown away by their service or their hard product and I don't think I'd ever go out of my way to fly with them over another oneworld carrier (as I would do with, say, CX over BA), but I have no problem flying with them.

 

[OATEK]

If Russia closes its airspace to North American and European airlines in retaliation to the latest round of sanctions I wonder how many days it will take for AY to declare bankruptcy...or maybe not even a day:shock:

Great Circle Mapper

Could backfire just as spectacularly.

 

[Himeno]

If Russia closes its airspace to North American and European airlines in retaliation to the latest round of sanctions I wonder how many days it will take for AY to declare bankruptcy...or maybe not even a day:shock:

Great Circle Mapper

If Russia closes its airspace to EU and NA airlines, then Europe and America will just close their airspace to Russian airlines.
Western airlines used to manage just fine going around Soviet airspace...

 

[defurax]

If Russia closes its airspace to EU and NA airlines, then Europe and America will just close their airspace to Russian airlines.
Western airlines used to manage just fine going around Soviet airspace...

Agree, but I think AY would suffer the most of all "Western"airlines. AY marketing strategy is 100% based on its direct flights to Asian destinations.

 

[UP4014]

I think closing airspace over Russia is bad news for Russian airlines, they'll end up with no incoming western currencies as different countries close them off. Western airlines will deal with it the same way they have done so before.

Matt

 

[defurax]

I think closing airspace over Russia is bad news for Russian airlines, they'll end up with no incoming western currencies as different countries close them off. Western airlines will deal with it the same way they have done so before.

Matt

Well, things have changed too since the Cold War. I don't see any business traveller booking YYZ-HKG on AC if it requires a refueling stop while CX will be able to offer non-stop YYZ-HKG flights over Russia.