Masks rules - Airline Enforcement?

[Cruiser Elite]

I think we are a long way off that here. I get the impression that Andrews wants to ride out the entire of Winter with masks as they are today, going off his commentary last week (which proved very unpopular as expected)

Maybe so - maybe n0t - COVID-19 restrictions, including household close contact rules, to be lifted by the weekend

 

[cwphoto]

That is because the worst thing that can happen with a pandemic is for the virus to spread from place to place. Airports and aeroplanes are places where people travelling between locations congregate. Contagion at an airport will spread far and wide.

And yet Omicron got in with mask mandates on planes. The case for masks was always flimsy at best, good riddance to it.

 

[Mr H]

The case for masks was always flimsy at best...

Tinfoil hats, on the other hand...

 

[Quickstatus]

Rather than worry about the people around you, just put your mask on if worried - an N95 one not one of those pretend ones.

 

[Mr H]

Rather than worry about the people around you, just put your mask on if worried - an N95 one not one of those pretend ones.

Putting on your own mask will protect those around you, but in order to be protected yourself you really need those around you to be wearing masks.

 

[Quickstatus]

Putting on your own mask will protect those around you

Putting on a mask - especially an N95 or equivalent and not the cloth /surgical ones protects the wearer

 

[Mr H]

Putting on a mask - especially an N95 or equivalent and not the cloth /surgical ones protects the wearer.

It offers an element of protection but not nearly as much as if other people were wearing them. Science.

 

[Quickstatus]

Science.

Please show me the science. I have not been able to find any science to say that - especially the cloth or surgical ones.
I require a cluster randomised control study which could have been done in the last 2 years of the pandemic.

 

[Mr H]

Please show me the science. I have not been able to find any science to say that - especially the cloth or surgical ones.
I require a cluster randomised control study which could have been done in the last 2 years of the pandemic.

Is Google broken?

 

[Quickstatus]

Is Google broken

Ask Google
Even the CDC mask study was a poorly designed study.

As I said show me the Covid pandemic mask studies - the cluster randomised control studies
Mask policies were designed around computer modelling and assumptions. But they have never been validated by actual studies.

 

[DC3]

To each, their own. I believe that to be the saying.

There won’t be any changing of existing views here, will there?

 

[Mr H]

Ask Google

As I said show me the Covid pandemic mask studies - the cluster randomised control studies

The tinfoil hat brigade will always find some way to discount evidence. This is the first hit on Google amongst many pages. But I am sure you will find some way to show that it is less credible than whatever Clive Palmer is putting out there...

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Quickstatus]

evidence

Now find me the cluster randomised ones - you will see only one - the Bangladesh one.
Now tell me the problems with that study - apart from the fact that the statistical significance was small
Here is a link (via Google) for an explanation of why the study was problematic.

There are also massive problems with population based approach analysis especially with mask wearing

 

[DC3]

I think that it’s time for my nap.

 

[Mr H]

Now find me the cluster randomised ones - you will see only one - the Bangladesh one.
Now tell me the problems with that study - apart from the fact that the statistical significance was small
Here is a link (via Google) for an explanation of why the study was problematic.

As I said, you will always find some reason why science is wrong and Clive Palmer is right. Not clustered enough; not recent enough; not the same strain of Covid; the masks were a different colour...

 

[DC3]

. Sorry, just can’t help myself can I.

 

[drron]

The tinfoil hat brigade will always find some way to discount evidence. This is the first hit on Google amongst many pages. But I am sure you will find some way to show that it is less credible than whatever Clive Palmer is putting out there...

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Again those studies are not rigorous so do not prove masks are effective. There are other studies such as those from Denmark which had better designs but again not enough for definite proof. those studies which I have linked to before show that at most those wearing masks in a house that had a covid positive case were 1-2% less likely to get covid. And naturally those results did not reach statistical significance.

You are probably unaware of the problems using platforms such as google. If the subject is something that doesn't fit Google's narrative it will be down around page 55 of the searches. That's where the Danish studies were 3 months after release. I just happened to be aware and for interest kept searching.

So as @Quickstatus asked can you show us a well done statistically significant study on masks that proves everyone must wear them.

 

[Saab34]

Are airline staff and AFP enforcing this still? If I don’t wear one from kerbside to arriving at the baggage belt at the destination, are they going to arrest or challenge me?

 

[cwphoto]

It offers an element of protection but not nearly as much as if other people were wearing them. Science.

Is Google broken?

I think you need to Google what science is..

 

[DC3]

Are airline staff and AFP enforcing this still? If I don’t wear one from kerbside to arriving at the baggage belt at the destination, are they going to arrest or challenge me?

We made need to google that.