MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[MEL_Traveller]

I think identity is a crucial part of security.

unless you can identify an individual as the world's leading unarmed assassin... without a weapon why does identity matter?

same for baggage screening in the USA. The TSA is so confident in their detection that bags are now allowed to travel without the owner, even if the owner voluntarily changes flights.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

It should be found at any cost, money is not relevant in finding 300 missing people, even if likely deceased.

While people disappearing on one flight like this is tragic....I personally cannot support an "at any cost" strategy when then are so many ills, as well as missing people, in the world. It should be a given a good crack over an extended period of time. But it is far from the only tragedy in the world.

ie About 200 people go missing in Australia every year who are never found.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

without a weapon why does identity matter?

Serious? I think you are implying security is only about whether a terrorist is trying to harm a plane and pax aboard. Quite apart from the fact that positive identification is a crucial part of tracking the movements of criminals and suspected criminals, it is also about so many other matters that I couldn't begin to list them here. What about security for a child snatched by someone wanting to take the child to another country? Swift and accurate identification is a prime way of preventing that. What about foreign criminals awaiting trial doing the bunk on a false passport? Do we really want another potential murderer or child molester arriving here on false identity? Why do you think border protection is treated so importantly by just about every country on Earth? Why not just throw it all open to all and sundry to travel anonymously?

And despite what the US authorities think of their screening methods, knowing you have an identified potential terrorist trying to board an aircraft may just prompt a bit closer attention.

As I said previously, I believe identity is a crucial part of security. I did not say it was the only part.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Serious? I think you are implying security is only about whether a terrorist is trying to harm a plane and pax aboard. Quite apart from the fact that positive identification is a crucial part of tracking the movements of criminals and suspected criminals, it is also about so many other matters that I couldn't begin to list them here. What about security for a child snatched by someone wanting to take the child to another country? Swift and accurate identification is a prime way of preventing that. What about foreign criminals awaiting trial doing the bunk on a false passport? Do we really want another potential murderer or child molester arriving here on false identity? Why do you think border protection is treated so importantly by just about every country on Earth? Why not just throw it all open to all and sundry to travel anonymously?

And despite what the US authorities think of their screening methods, knowing you have an identified potential terrorist trying to board an aircraft may just prompt a bit closer attention.

As I said previously, I believe identity is a crucial part of security. I did not say it was the only part.

I agree in the context you have stated. I was limiting my arguments to the more restricted sense of the security of a particular aircraft about to depart.

We haven't had positive ID on Australian domestic flights for years. I don't believe that has affected the security of the flight itself.

 

[DrA]

Serious? I think you are implying security is only about whether a terrorist is trying to harm a plane and pax aboard. Quite apart from the fact that positive identification is a crucial part of tracking the movements of criminals and suspected criminals, it is also about so many other matters that I couldn't begin to list them here. What about security for a child snatched by someone wanting to take the child to another country? Swift and accurate identification is a prime way of preventing that. What about foreign criminals awaiting trial doing the bunk on a false passport? Do we really want another potential murderer or child molester arriving here on false identity? Why do you think border protection is treated so importantly by just about every country on Earth? Why not just throw it all open to all and sundry to travel anonymously?

And despite what the US authorities think of their screening methods, knowing you have an identified potential terrorist trying to board an aircraft may just prompt a bit closer attention.

As I said previously, I believe identity is a crucial part of security. I did not say it was the only part.

This. Some time ago, I had a male friend whose ex-partner took off overseas on false documents with their young child in the middle of a custody battle. He didn't have the financial resources to chase her down. I wonder if a quick check against the Interpol database would have prevented this from occurring.

Not all ID theft is about terrorism.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Missing flight MH370: No one knows what happened to plane, says Malaysian PM Najib Razak

Malaysia’s prime minister Najib Razak says nobody knows what happened on board MH370 or precisely where the plane is more than two months after it disappeared.


Revealing that a Malaysian police investigation has not uncovered the cause of the plane diverting thousands of kilometres from its flight path, Mr Najib admitted that his country “didn’t get everything right” in the first few days after the disappearance but said there are important lessons for the global aviation industry.


Police in Kuala Lumpur have not released any significant findings from their criminal investigation.


“The disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flight on March 8 has been one of the most extraordinary events ever to befall Malaysia – and one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries,” Mr Najib said.

Mr Najib said one of the most astonishing things about the tragedy is the revelation that an airliner the size of a Boeing 777 could vanish, almost without trace.


“In an age of smartphones and mobile internet, real-time tracking of commercial airplanes is long overdue,” he said.


Mr Najib, writing in the Wall Street Journal, urged the International Civil Aviation Organisation, which has been meeting in Montreal, to act on a Malaysian recommendation to implement real-time tracking of aircraft.

Missing flight MH370: No one knows what happened to plane, says Malaysian PM Najib Razak

So the police investigation has turned up nothing. Not the mysterious phone call, nothing about the false documented passengers, nothing on the Captains home flight sim.

What about the Cargo? what about the missing amounts on the Cargo manifest?

 

[amaroo]

Here we go again..... No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

THE so far fruitless search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has suffered another setback after finding out the search equipment is faulty.

"The Joint Agency Coordination Centre say they have discovered a defect in the transponder mounted on Ocean Shield and that a defect may also exist in the transponder mounted on the US Navy Bluefin-21 submersible."

 

[UP4014]

While people disappearing on one flight like this is tragic....I personally cannot support an "at any cost" strategy when then are so many ills, as well as missing people, in the world. It should be a given a good crack over an extended period of time. But it is far from the only tragedy in the world.

ie About 200 people go missing in Australia every year who are never found.

Of course, not every one values life in the same way, some put a $$ value on it which is a pragmatic way to look at it. (and in effect the way the airline industry looks at accidents, the FAA in the US was know as the "tomestone agency" for a while in the early 80's, only mandating change when accidents became too much to bear, financially)

And those 200 missing Australians should have more resources thrown at finding out what has happened.

Imagine if the Poms hadn't spent the money finding the fault with the Comet, is one accident ok 50 dead, two 100 dead or three before throwing money into it to find the cause?

Matt

 

[whatmeworry]

Here we go again..... No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

THE so far fruitless search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has suffered another setback after finding out the search equipment is faulty.

"The Joint Agency Coordination Centre say they have discovered a defect in the transponder mounted on Ocean Shield and that a defect may also exist in the transponder mounted on the US Navy Bluefin-21 submersible."

Great... Somebody forgot to do a calibration?

 

[whatmeworry]

First book on mh370 out tomorrow.
First book on MH370 mystery blames US war games

4 corners will have a program on MH370 tomorrow.

LOST: MH370, reported by Caro Meldrum-Hanna and presented by Kerry O'Brien, goes to air on Monday 19th May at 8.30pm on ABC1. It is replayed on Tuesday 20th May at 11.00am and 11.35pm. It can also be seen on ABC News 24 on Saturday at 8.00pm, ABC iview and at abc.net.au/4corners.

LOST: MH370 - Four Corners

 

[anat0l]

First book on mh370 out tomorrow.
First book on MH370 mystery blames US war games

Not a single shred of evidence of the aircraft has been found yet. This is blithely premature and a case of humanity misplaced.

 

[Major]

The substance of this book can only be conjecture. It is a money making exercise of a very tragic event

 

[ethernet]

Yes, its all security theatre. But it employs lots of goons, and raised lots of airport tax, and created lots of income for missed flights etc. If we look at criminals leaving Australia - we have a tarnished record here (just use a relatives passport). Canadians are good, so what justification is there for the Rainbow bridge bull****. None. The money would be better spent beefing up border security for drug imports and exotic diseases. I support security, but the risk model and priorities have got to move with the risks.
IE money spent on roads and blackspots WILL save more lives and national wealth, but a family in a station wagon or a pax by train to Martin Place, is obviously insignificant to someone who paid for a business seat. If every life was valued the same,
allocations would change. If that security was repositioned to Redfern or Liverpool train stations - the jails would be full.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

a family in a station wagon or a pax by train to Martin Place, is obviously insignificant to someone who paid for a business seat.

I find your reasoning to be skewed, misaligned and condescending.

The vast majority of people aboard this aircraft were in zoo class. Also there is nothing to suggest a wealthy person cannot die in a car crash. As for security at Redfern station, totally irrelevant to Australias SAR obligations and (in case you're off on a tangent) totally irrelevant to airport security.

I'm mildly musing over whether you'd change your mind about the risk priorities if you were aboard a plane at risk?

 

[Rox]

I hopefully suspect ethernets post was attacked by a punctuation gremlin. If you take out the line space after the last comma ("if every life was valued the same, ...") it reads quite differently.
A good example for the grammar thread.

 

[amaroo]

Interesting article on MAS and other legacy airlines in the region Malaysia Airlines, Whose Flight 370 Vanished in March, Grapples With Financial Difficulties - WSJ.com

"Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razakacknowledges it might be too late to save Malaysia Airlines in its current form. Bankruptcy might be one among several options as a way to restructure the firm after years of losses and bitter conflicts with its labor unions, he said in an interview"


"it has also become a harder place for an airline to turn a profit. There are now 47 low-cost carriers in Asia, from India to Indonesia to Japan. That is up from around 30 in 2009, and the total is expected to approach 60 by year-end. The low-cost airlines, led by Kuala Lumpur-based AirAsia 5099.KU +0.87% Bhd., command a quarter of Asia's air travel, versus less than 10% in 2007.

The new entrants are driving ticket prices down while leaving Asia's once-vaunted national champions, including Malaysia Airlines but also Singapore Airlines,C6L.SG +0.20% Thai Airways and Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific, with fewer easy ways to make money. Travelers now can make the 65-minute flight between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore for as little as $20, roughly what it costs to hire a taxi from Singapore's airport to its downtown.

Qantas, the Australian carrier, recently said it was cutting 5,000 jobs and delaying orders for 11 jumbo jets after a loss of US$210 million over six months. Singapore Airlines this month said it filled only 78.9% of its seats in the latest fiscal year, when it needed to have a load factor of 82% to break even."

 

[whatmeworry]

mahathir thinks the CIA know where the plane is.

CIA withholding information on flight MH370, says former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad

 

[JessicaTam]

The substance of this book can only be conjecture. It is a money making exercise of a very tragic event

There is a proposal for a movie being floated already. I think the article was in The Age.

Sad but true.

 

[williamsf1]

4 corners ABC tonight ... wonder what will come out of it ..

 

[whatmeworry]

There is a proposal for a movie being floated already. I think the article was in The Age.

Sad but true.

Two movies and 2 books...

Meanwhile, two films inspired by MH370 are being touted to buyers at the Cannes Film Festival. A 90-minute teaser for Vanishing Act, showing terrified passengers and a gun being brandished, was shot over six days in India.
Two books have also been written on the mystery.

Read more: CIA withholding information on flight MH370, says former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad
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