MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[Buzzard]

Sure it will. Only question is where.

..... and when????

 

[anat0l]

With no disrespect to those involved and the missing souls, I believe the elephant in the room is who is fronting up the money (cold hard or in kind)?

 

[drron]

The search goes on with a third ship joining the survey-
Malaysian ship looking for MH370

More discussion on tracking of flights-
Something to watch over us | Flight Safety Australia

And a new theory-
Was MH370 a botched hack attack that killed 239 people? | Plane Talking

 

[Foreigner]

Opinion that airplane may be ditched in one piece:

From today's News.com.au:

Author claims MH370 pilot ditched plane into ocean as Tony Abbott says search to resume | News.com.au

 

[RAM]

Opinion that airplane may be ditched in one piece:

From today's News.com.au:

Author claims MH370 pilot ditched plane into ocean as Tony Abbott says search to resume | News.com.au

Most of you probably know this but it was news to me a couple of years back.

The "masks will drop from the ceiling in the event of...."

What are they actually connected to? How long does the supply last?

They are connected to just an 8 minute supply of air. Just 8 minutes.

This system (requirement) was designed decades before 911 and assumed nobody would deliberately depresssurise the cabin or take over the pilot's cabin with an forced-entry proof door.

So with an incident where the occupants of the coughpit pass-out for some reason and the plane depressurises subsequently or was the cause of their incapacity then the occupants of the plane have less than 8 minutes if they realise what has gone wrong instantly.

Where one of the pilots deliberately depressurises the plane whilst the other coughpit crew have left then as long as he knows the access points - the plane's occupant's are history after 8 minutes.

A case where the cure is worse than the disease?

 

[opusman]

8 minutes is plenty long enough for the plane to descend low enough for pax to breathe without an oxygen supply, which is presumably what the system is designed for.

 

[eastwest101]

A case where the cure is worse than the disease?

Provided the theory that one of the pilots locked out the other pilot and then deliberately depressurized the aircraft, then yes, the "solution" to the 911 style takeover of the flight deck by terrorists was introducing a potential new hazard. See unintended consequences of safety systems.

 

[RAM]

8 minutes is plenty long enough for the plane to descend low enough for pax to breathe without an oxygen supply, which is presumably what the system is designed for.

Yes. that is my point.

It works fine when everything is above board. Throw in some malevolence and you're history.

 

[Foreigner]

Not pleasant scenarios. Hard to contemplate what passengers went through during those final minutes.

 

[amaroo]

One for the conspiracy theorist.....

MALAYSIA is investigating the alleged hacking of computers and email accounts of officials involved in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.
The hackers siphoned off classified information related to the plane a day after it disappeared on March 8, and transferred the data to a location in China, Amirudin Abdul Wahab, Cybersecurity Malaysia chief executive, was quoted as saying.

No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

 

[SeatBackForward]

MH370: attempt to call missing Malaysia Airlines jet may alter search area
Shortly after the missing Malaysian airliner disappeared from radar, airline officials on the ground tried repeatedly to call the crew of the Boeing 777 using a satellite phone that might have left clues to the jet's flight path.

Now an analysis of those failed attempts to reach Flight 370 could alter the search for the plane.

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said on Thursday that the sprawling search area in the southern Indian Ocean may be extended farther south based on the new analysis, which suggests that the aircraft turned that direction earlier than previously believed.

MH370: attempt to call missing Malaysia Airlines jet may alter search area

 

[Foreigner]

Latest about MH370 that I came across:

Malaysian Airlines Flight pilot

What a mystery!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Latest about MH370 that I came across:

Malaysian Airlines Flight pilot

What a mystery!

Is this was the kiwi who wrote a book about the incident within weeks of it occurring? if it was, back then it was all conjecture, and seems nothings changed.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Some points from the ATSB site (MH370)

MH370 Operational Search Update 10 September 2014

As of 4 September 2014, over 100,000 square kilometres of the wide search area have been surveyed (see map below)

(clickable thumbnail to larger image)
Three-dimensional model of the seafloor terrain: This three-dimensional model of the seafloor terrain is based on sparse pre-existing data, some of which has been derived from satellite gravity measurements and some from ocean passage soundings. The bathymetric survey currently underway is focused on gathering more detailed and higher resolution data in preparation for the underwater search phase.

 

[whatmeworry]

Malaysian government angry with Pilot suicide theory.

Malaysian minister slams MH370 pilot suicide theory - Channel NewsAsia

SINGAPORE: Malaysia’s Foreign Affairs Minister Anifah Aman has slammed news portal Huffington Post UK for an article which claimed the pilot of flight MH370 had likely committed suicide and caused the disappearance of the aircraft.
The Sep 16 article quoted a Birmingham Mail report citing claims made by air accident investigator Ewan Wilson that the Malaysia Airlines pilot “intentionally turned off the oxygen supply in the cabin and activated the auto-pilot feature”, ultimately killing everyone onboard.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

i wonder what the lessons learned will be from this incident?

perhaps going forward we will have to have two crew in the flight deck at any given time - even if that is pilot + member of the cabin crew.

Being able to lock everyone out of the flight deck seems a security issue.

 

[browski]

i wonder what the lessons learned will be from this incident?

perhaps going forward we will have to have two crew in the flight deck at any given time - even if that is pilot + member of the cabin crew.

Being able to lock everyone out of the flight deck seems a security issue.

The lessons to be learnt from this incident will be all to do with independance of the search operation and little to do with coughpit security.

 

[RAM]

The lessons to be learnt from this incident will be all to do with independance of the search operation and little to do with coughpit security.

I don't think so.

The IRA had a great procedure - go and kidnap the bank manager and his family in their home, force the bank mger to open up the bank vault and steal the money. When one of the early victims refused they shot him and knee capped his wife and two daughters.

Fast forward to today. Group ZDS kidnaps the pilot & family. One group take the family to an unknown location and another part of the group take the pilot to the airport. They have radio scanners monitoring all emergency service frequencies, ATC and have spotters watching the airport security offices as well as the plane boarding lounge.

The choice the pilot faces - drawn out torture and final murder of family (perhaps with an advance showing with one of his children before taken to the airport) or crashing the plane.

As a mother or father what do you think they would choose?
It's happened with high value cargo flights (not crashing but diverting).

 

[fjc]

Latest about MH370 that I came across:

Malaysian Airlines Flight pilot

What a mystery!

What a mystery![/QUOTE]
Not recognising the company's name, I ran a Google search to find that there were 2 Kiwi Airlines, both now defunct. Kiwi Travel International's CEO was Ewan Wilson who was convicted of 4 counts of fraud, and later banned by the Securities Commission. They said he acted without "moral regard". The newspaper journos need to learn to do some basic research first.

Kiwi Travel International Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[whatmeworry]

According to simulators the plane might have spiralled into the sea after the right engine run out of fuel.

"The simulator activities involved fuel exhaustion of the right engine followed by flameout of the left engine with no control inputs," the Australian Transport Safety Bureau report released on Wednesday said.
"This scenario resulted in the aircraft entering a descending spiralling low bank angle left turn and the aircraft entering the water in a relatively short distance after the last engine flameout."

From early in the search, analysis has indicated "a very high probability" of finding the aircraft along a defined arc in the southern Indian Ocean.
The seventh arc - or the final satellite "handshake" from the plane - is believed to be where the aircraft ran out of the fuel and went into descent.
An ATSB report in June had put the priority search zone above an underwater feature named Broken Ridge, more than 2000 kilometres west of Perth.
While investigators believe the plane "may be located within relatively close proximity to the arc", their priority search area has shifted further south.

Read more: MH370 may have 'descended, spiralled' into southern Indian Ocean
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