MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[docjames]

There is no great need to know why it happened, beyond morbid fascination by the public. Vastly more important is to work out how to make sure an aircraft doesn't go missing again even if it goes off course.

Wouldn't part of working out how to make sure it didn't happen again be knowing why it happened this time, ergo ideally that would include finding the aircraft and working out what happened?

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

 

[UP4014]

There is no great need to know why it happened, beyond morbid fascination by the public. Vastly more important is to work out how to make sure an aircraft doesn't go missing again even if it goes off course.

I think if you're an airline recruitment person, family or a friend of a passenger or crew it is very important to know why it happened.

Matt

 

[OATEK]

I think if you're an airline recruitment person, family or a friend of a passenger or crew it is very important to know why it happened.

Matt

Wouldn't part of working out how to make sure it didn't happen again be knowing why it happened this time, ergo ideally that would include finding the aircraft and working out what happened?

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

Are we confusing why and how here? Even if we find out how it crashed, we may never know why. The second could mean looking in the mind of someone who is deceased.

I agree with the general proposition that if possible we should find out how, and that would mean finding the aircraft to see if it did glide with or just fell when the fuel expired. But how much do we spend on answering that question? There has to be a finite limit surely, as there are far more pressing questions we need answers to (eg in the medical field).

 

[Mal]

About that 'glide path' theory ...Correcting the record

A Reuters article by Jonathan Barrett and Swati Pandey on the MH370 search was published 21 July 2016 with the title “We’ve been looking in the wrong place”. The article inferred that Fugro was saying “We’ve been looking in the wrong place”.

Fugro wishes to make it very clear that we believe the search area to have been well defined based on all of the available scientific data. In short, we have been thoroughly looking in the most probable place – and that is the right place to search.

 

[JohnK]

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

I think "live" tracking is not that far away and won't be expensive as people think.

They pretty much are able to track the whereabouts of anyone with a phone right now.

 

[moa999]

I think "live" tracking is not that far away and won't be expensive as people think.
They pretty much are able to track the whereabouts of anyone with a phone right now.

But as came out when it first happened, its possible - it just costs (and many airlines had chosen not to pay for it) as you need to connect to satellites, given their aren't mobile phone towers in the middle of the ocean (nor the middle of Australia for that matter)

 

[Awesom Andy]

I think "live" tracking is not that far away and won't be expensive as people think.

It's not so much a matter of cost. If it costs only 5 cents, but there's no legal requirements to do so, they would still rather not spend it.

 

[bad]

I think "live" tracking is not that far away and won't be expensive as people think.

They pretty much are able to track the whereabouts of anyone with a phone right now.

Sure this is a possibility now but the right technology needs to be available in middle of oceans (mobile towers) and remote place on land.

But as came out when it first happened, its possible - it just costs (and many airlines had chosen not to pay for it) as you need to connect to satellites, given their aren't mobile phone towers in the middle of the ocean (nor the middle of Australia for that matter)

Wouldn't part of working out how to make sure it didn't happen again be knowing why it happened this time, ergo ideally that would include finding the aircraft and working out what happened?

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

Yep thats what I was thinking. But when it comes down to how many olives in the salad I would prefer none and have satellite tracking on. (if that makes sense.)

 

[JohnK]

It's not so much a matter of cost. If it costs only 5 cents, but there's no legal requirements to do so, they would still rather not spend it.

I personally think that it should be compulsory to track aircraft at all times regardless of what the airlines believe should happen. This is a classic example of why it needs to be in place.

 

[medhead]

Seems some people are missing that I wrote about a "great need" to find reasons. In hindsight I probably should've completed that sentence with "To prevent recurrence". Even if I feel that bit was implied by my second sentence.

while we can still achieve a legacy for those who lost their lives by introducing tracking systems going forward, I think we still owe it to those who died to find them and determine what happened. it may also assist with closure for the relatives.

there may be other reasons to find the wreckage, not least of which might be to assign liability and responsibility.

if we had jus given up on air France we may have missed valuable lessons.

Important reasons. But I can't see a need to find answers. Pretty cough for the family, but many people just disappear everyday. Of course they want to know what happened; but need?

Wouldn't part of working out how to make sure it didn't happen again be knowing why it happened this time, ergo ideally that would include finding the aircraft and working out what happened?

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

We know a big plane disappeared. We can address that risk by a lower level of control that won't prevent recurrence but will allow early detection.

I think if you're an airline recruitment person, family or a friend of a passenger or crew it is very important to know why it happened.

Matt

And I think it is much more important to prevent it happening again.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Important reasons. But I can't see a need to find answers. Pretty cough for the family, but many people just disappear everyday. Of course they want to know what happened; but need?

Assigning liability and compensation might might = need. Maybe not such an issue with MH370, but maybe depends how hardball MH wants to go.

 

[medhead]

Assigning liability and compensation might might = need. Maybe not such an issue with MH370, but maybe depends how hardball MH wants to go.

Glad you used a double might. I think it will pretty much always be a want rather than a need. There is nothing that says people must not be disadvantaged by corporations. If that is really bad and it gets to the need stage - then governments might/would(?) step in and just make a punitive decision.

the other point I missed was mental wellbeing creating a need. Shouldn't diminish that need. It is very important. But then lots of people have to face that everyday.

 

[PLANT]

60 minutes have the latest conspiracy theory SUNDAY night......

 

[straitman]

I agree that "live" tracking is technologically feasible, but will probably need to be mandated due to the (current) cost - you're talking airlines where they remove one olive per meal to save cents per pax.....

Remaining OT for just a moment.

Try doing a cost benefit analysis of the olive.

You will be surprised but the cost of the olive would probably be significantly more than the cost of tracking. That olive is worth millions of dollars per year.

 

[Melburnian1]

I have only gone back a small number of pages in this thread but no one appears to have mentioned the excellent article by Ean Higgins in 'The Weekend Australian', 30-31 July 2016 that points the finger at the captain of MH370 and which essentially praises the hypothesis of Byron Bailey.

If true this is worrying. From what the article states the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has been engaged in a lot of 'spin' to mislead Australians and others.

 

[whatmeworry]

Even if they found what's left of the plane, would it provide enough useful evidence?

 

[OATEK]

I have only gone back a small number of pages in this thread but no one appears to have mentioned the excellent article by Ean Higgins in 'The Weekend Australian', 30-31 July 2016 that points the finger at the captain of MH370 and which essentially praises the hypothesis of Byron Bailey.

If true this is worrying. From what the article states the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has been engaged in a lot of 'spin' to mislead Australians and others.

I read the article, and towards the end it states that the search area relied on satellite data that showed a sharp descent. It also states that the search area, if looking at different points along the 7th arc could be three times bigger. The ATSB search, led by a trusted person, has gone with the scientific data instead of the speculation. I don't see your spin angle. Obviously if they do not find the plane it is somewhere else, but to imply that the ATSB actually know where they should have been looking and have not done so is a stretch, especially if the potential alternative search area is three times bigger than the current search area.

 

[bad]

I have noticed The article is behind a paywall!

"We know what happened," David Learmount, safety editor at Flight Global, has said of MH370. "There's only one thing it can be - a deliberate act by someone on board, probably the captain."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31736835

bbc is on the money

Even if they found what's left of the plane, would it provide enough useful evidence?

I hope that coughpit flight recorders are still intact somewhere.

 

[bad]

Remaining OT for just a moment.

Try doing a cost benefit analysis of the olive.

You will be surprised but the cost of the olive would probably be significantly more than the cost of tracking. That olive is worth millions of dollars per year.

What are trying to say here? Are you trying to convey that Olives are made from gold? Or are companies warped in the way they view "cost" in relation too "us"pesky passengers ..... Sic...... Or is it just pesky Olives ?
OT

 

[JessicaTam]

What are trying to say here? Are you trying to convey that Olives are made from gold? Or are companies warped in the way they view "cost" in relation too "us"pesky passengers ..... Sic...... Or is it just pesky Olives ?
OT

Some information about the AA olives: nutrition - Did removing one olive lead to an airline saving thousands of dollars? - Skeptics Stack Exchange

Now can we leave the olives and get back to MH370?