MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[Programme]

6. The two passengers traveling on stolen passports booked their tickets in coughet, Thailand, at the same time via the same agent on China Southern for codeshares via Beijing and Amsteram to two different European destinations.

The travellers on stolen passports purchased the tickets on CZ stock from a travel agent in Pattaya, Thailand. The passports had been stolen in coughet some time earlier. The tickets appear to have been booked together and had consecutive ticket numbers (784-xx_x099 and 784-xx_x100).

 

[Vernon]

1. A decompression isn't necessarily a catastrophic event, look at QF30.

2. What does the 787 have to do with this? Maintenance checks are meant to ensure that any metal flaws do not turn into a catastrophic event. 3,000 odd cycles and 20,000 hours isn't that particularly old.
3. What debris? They haven't found any yet...

1. I'm referring to the doors specifically, which can be deadly (Helios Airways 737 in 2005)...
2. The 787 already has cracks appearing on its wings, I was referring to the age of the aircraft in everything it has gone through, and my assumption is based on the doors dislodging, which no one can say with certainty would not have crashed a 12 yr old plane...
3. I know I've already corrected my thoughts...

 

[medhead]

1. I'm referring to the doors specifically, which can be deadly (Helios Airways 737 in 2005)...
2. The 787 already has cracks appearing on its wings, I was referring to the age of the aircraft in everything it has gone through, and my assumption is based on the doors dislodging, which no one can say with certainty would not have crashed a 12 yr old plane...
3. I know I've already corrected my thoughts...

1. That Helios flight was not a catastrophic failure. Again the door cannot be opened while the aircraft is pressurized.

2. Different aircraft different construction materials.

 

[mannej]

1. I'm referring to the doors specifically, which can be deadly (Helios Airways 737 in 2005)...
2. The 787 already has cracks appearing on its wings, I was referring to the age of the aircraft in everything it has gone through, and my assumption is based on the doors dislodging, which no one can say with certainty would not have crashed a 12 yr old plane...
3. I know I've already corrected my thoughts...

1. The Helios flight was never pressurized correctly for the flight. It was left in manual after MX.

2. The wing cracks in the 787 and 380 are manufacturing issues, and there are work arounds.

3. You can't discount anything at this stage with the information available, I.e very minimal. Doors dislodging in flight would be quite unlikely.

 

[Happy Trails]

1. I'm referring to the doors specifically, which can be deadly (Helios Airways 737 in 2005)...
2. The 787 already has cracks appearing on its wings, I was referring to the age of the aircraft in everything it has gone through, and my assumption is based on the doors dislodging, which no one can say with certainty would not have crashed a 12 yr old plane...
3. I know I've already corrected my thoughts...

The 787 wing cracks occurred during recent manufacture and the aircraft concerned are not in service yet.

 

[phily]

Presumably would not be hard to pull the tapes from that plane and compare voices etc.

It would be hard actually. AFAIK the CVR "black box" only records the voices of each pilot and the general coughpit sounds, not radio communications received by the pilot. In any case, the CVR only records the last 60 minutes of the flight.

 

[Vernon]

1. That Helios flight was not a catastrophic failure. Again the door cannot be opened while the aircraft is pressurized.

2. Different aircraft different construction materials.

1. Everyone died, simplified the event in this article (read this please)
2. Exactly my point, I've already said it 3 times now...you can never tell, and based on my assumption which many state is impossible...

 

[mannej]

1. Everyone died, simplified the event in this article (read this please)
2. Exactly my point, I've already said it 3 times now...you can never tell, and based on my assumption which many state is impossible...

1. The doors didn't dislodge with the Helios flight. It was never configured properly for flight hence it never pressurized. That is what killed the passengers, not doors being dislodged. The article you quote lacks any credibility.

2. What expertise are you using to make the claims?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

As far as I understand it, they've widened the search area because so far they've found nothing, not because they've found debris spread over a large area

Agree...and also not because they now suspect terrorism.

Logic is that:
1/ You first look in the most likely spot...and then expand
2/ That at this stage you remain open minded as the investigating team that ANYTHING may have caused the plane to come down. From terrorism, to failure, to lightning to hijacking. You assume no one theory, but start ruling out what you can by a process of elimination.

Bottom line is that the cause will probably not be known for a long time and will hinge now on recovery of the "Black box", and some wreckage. Even a terrorist group claiming involvement, may be fake.

 

[jb747]

I feel some maniac opened the air lock doors and due to the high altitude and age of the aircraft there was an explosive decompression that tore the plane apart, a bomb makes little sense..., But what makes no sense is why communication was severed so early/instantly... ?

Gibberish.

You cannot open the doors. If you wanted to try I wouldn't even try to stop you...you'd get tired soon enough. Even if you could it would not cause an explosive decompression, and it would not tear the plane apart

BTW...you can't have it two ways...if you propose explosive decompression/breakup, how on earth do you think there would be any communications?

 

[Vernon]

Gibberish.

You cannot open the doors. If you wanted to try I wouldn't even try to stop you...you'd get tired soon enough. Even if you could it would not cause an explosive decompression, and it would not tear the plane apart

BTW...you can't have it two ways...if you propose explosive decompression/breakup, how on earth do you think there would be any communications?

Fair enough...

Because I think the aircraft would have had minutes before any real "splitting/breaking" would have occurred..., giving them some time to send out a Mayday call at least...

1. The doors didn't dislodge with the Helios flight. It was never configured properly for flight hence it never pressurized. That is what killed the passengers, not doors being dislodged. The article you quote lacks any credibility.

2. What expertise are you using to make the claims?

1. "decompression" or "the lack of oxygen at 30,000 feet left the crew incapacitated, and the plane on auto-pilot..."
2. EDIT: I don't think people understood my response it came across rude, but all I meant was I'm no expert just another noob with thoughts and assumptions...

 

[jb747]

Vernon, they may be your thoughts and assumptions, but you don't have enough actual knowledge for them to be anything other than thought bubbles. It isn't an insult, it's simply a fact. I probably have little more information about structural failures and decompression than most people... Right now the MAS flight is simply unknown, there are no facts.

 

[samh004]

Saw that report more than 24hrs ago, but it hasn't been seemingly corroberated.
Presumably would not be hard to pull the tapes from that plane and compare voices etc.

The CVR only records for 2 hours, so the recording would be long gone by now.

it took 8 days to find a piece of AF.

I thought it was 5 days.

Regardless, waiting for some news.

 

[whatmeworry]

Press conference on ABC 24 now.

 

[Vernon]

Vernon, they may be your thoughts and assumptions, but you don't have enough actual knowledge for them to be anything other than thought bubbles. It isn't an insult, it's simply a fact. I probably have little more information about structural failures and decompression than most people... Right now the MAS flight is simply unknown, there are no facts.

Of course they are thought bubbles, don't my comments seem like something a layman would say... ???
besides, I never said your comment was an insult..., I'm just saying my thoughts are raw on a public aviation forum board, discussing a disaster, I'm open to accusations and that I do not wish to argue with your expert minds, just want to clear my thoughts bout what could or couldn't have happened...

 

[Austman]

it took 8 days to find a piece of AF.

1 day to sight some substantial wreckage (including an aircraft seat). 5 days before some victims were recovered.

This is another reason why MH370 is so puzzling.

 

[Programme]

it took 8 days to find a piece of AF.

I thought it was 5 days.

Regardless, waiting for some news.

Aircraft seats from AF447 were spotted floating in the ocean the next day. The first bodies were found after around five days, and the vertical stabliser was found after around six days.

That nothing has been found from that can be verified to have come from MH370 yet doesn't mean much. We don't have many hard facts apart from that the plane went missing somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam and that it would have long since run out of fuel. It hasn't appeared at any airport and thus it most likely has crashed somewhere. A multinational team (that under any other circumstances would probably have only all been in the one place in the case of war!) are out looking for any clues near the point of last contact.

The lack of confirmed debris from the plane might also mean that there is so much floating junk in that part of the world that it's hard to tell what washed off land, what came from oil rigs or boats and what might have come from a downed aeroplane...

EDIT:

Of course they are thought bubbles [snip]

I don't mean to be offensive, Vernon, but do you realise who jb747 is?

 

[samh004]

The lack of confirmed debris from the plane might also mean that there is so much floating junk in that part of the world that it's hard to tell what washed off land, what came from oil rigs or boats and what might have come from a downed aeroplane...

Doesn't help that ocean currents can push things around and the final position might not be the final position.

 

[Programme]

Doesn't help that ocean currents can push things around and the final position might not be the final position.

Indeed. With as little as a 10-15km/h current, floating debris could have drifted as far as Bangkok by now, not to mention being mixed in with a whole lot of other floating trash.

 

[williamsf1]

JB or any other experts on the thread

I understand that the black box has a transmitter attached that sends a signal for 30 days or so . Are you able to advise how strong this signal is ? ie would you have to be on top of it to pick it up or is it something that has a 20-50km or further transmission?