MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[markis10]

So between the red lines, is that a triangulation and the red lines are summations of what could have occurred?

The red lines are on the 40 degree tilt line, you cannot get triangulation from one satellite. I am guessing between the red areas on that line is primary radar coverage that rules out any presence. Seven hours there would have been a lot of coverage turned on and looking.

 

[ReLoad]

You mean like they had the answers of where the WMD were? They have plenty of "intelligence" but not always the intelligence to interpret it when it counts.

I've seen Team America, they have intelligence.

 

[medhead]

You mean like they had the answers of where the WMD were? They have plenty of "intelligence" but not always the intelligence to interpret it when it counts.

It was highly intelligent for them to tell the boss the answer he wanted to hear about WMD.

 

[cirqueboy]

The red lines are on the 40 degree tilt line, you cannot get triangulation from one satellite. I am guessing between the red areas on that line is primary radar coverage that rules out any presence. Seven hours there would have been a lot of coverage turned on and looking.

Ok understand. Big area. Geez.....

 

[amaroo]

The hunt is on.... "One Ping Only" - YouTube

 

[cirqueboy]

some more info:

Lost passenger jet was diverted deliberately: Malaysian PM | Reuters

 

[whatmeworry]

If anybody survived their are enough life rafts for 290 people and enough rations on the rafts for a week.

Malaysia Airlines: Survival kits can last one week CCTV News - CNTV English

 

[MR N]

Have been following but not commenting. This is just so strange.

I cant see a hijacking because if you kill the passengers, then the bargaining position is gone.

Unfortunately I doubt its landed anywhere because surely by now some demands would have been made.

Why fly all over the place to ditch in the sea, doesnt make sense.

Maybe, this is another United 93 where the passengers fought with whoever was in control and the plane went into the sea.

But like everyone I am just speculating and thinking are we going to see a new round of plane terror ?

 

[Jack_OC]

Maybe, this is another United 93 where the passengers fought with whoever was in control and the plane went into the sea.

But how is that consistent with the latest information, which says the plane flew for 7 hours after it "disappeared"?

 

[SeatBackForward]

In case your wondering what that is all about, there were stories around earlier talking about the ping giving location, it looks like the ping actually says I am here waiting for instructions and I can see the immarsat at x number of degrees from the horizon. In this case its 40 degrees. I would imagine the red lines stop where its not possible for the aircraft to be based on time flown.

Markis, this the type of "flow of data" i was referring to yesterday.

 

[jneufeld]

This just popped up on FT not long ago, very interesting. Post can be found here

Based on a speed of Mach 0.84 (based off What are the cruising speeds of the various airliners?, where would we be without Air Asia?!) and a further minimising of about 30% due to turning and possible less than cruising speed you can make a doughnut of 4,200-6,000km from the last known position, masking this to just the region of the final ping gives you something a bit more specific (albeit completely speculatory)


Furthermore would it be possible for the pilot (or whomever was in control) to minimise fuel consumption somehow? Say by shutting off two of the engines?

 

[MR N]

But how is that consistent with the latest information, which says the plane flew for 7 hours after it "disappeared"?

Yeah, maybe not. But I cant see hijacking because surely by now we would know their demands otherwise no point in hijacking, I guess.

Pilot suicide doesnt make sense because why turn back if you want to put the plane into the ocean.

One thing I have noticed is greater US coverage and I am wonder ing the US is on edge thinking its on again.

 

[markis10]

Markis, this the type of "flow of data" i was referring to yesterday.

No, you were talking about the flow of data supposedly able to narrow down the search area, its turned out there was no engine or other data flow from the aircraft. Someone has gone into the Immarsat logs and looked at what the transceiver and antenna on the plane is saying, rather than ACARS data. As a result we now have a search area that extends over half the earth latitudes, which means we are in a lot better position than yesterday where clearly the wrong area was being searched.

It would be nice to now how often the satellite transceiver pings the sat, it its once a second great, I have a feeling it might be in the minutes, and every minute interval widens that search area by 400 sq km.

 

[boomy]

But how is that consistent with the latest information, which says the plane flew for 7 hours after it "disappeared"?

Maybe it's a case similar to ET961.
Assuming the plane was not hijacked by one of it's own crew, maybe the people who did tried to reach a destination that was just too far and the fuel run out.

 

[prozac]

This just popped up on FT not long ago, very interesting..................

Furthermore would it be possible for the pilot (or whomever was in control) to minimise fuel consumption somehow? Say by shutting off two of the engines?

Yes, that would really reduce the fuel consumption to, well nothing really. A Boeing 777 has just two engines.

 

[medhead]

This just popped up on FT not long ago, very interesting. Post can be found here

"Say by shutting off 2 engines?"

Hell yeah that'd save fuel. But on a 2 engine aircraft might not be the best idea.

 

[markis10]

Maybe it's a case similar to ET961.
Assuming the plane was not hijacked by one of it's own crew, maybe the people who did tried to reach a destination that was just too far and the fuel run out.

Possible if they underestimated the winds, but unlikely, the expertise shown so far would indicate the people in charge of the plane were very much skilled in what they were doing.

 

[DaveB]

I can't imagine what friends and relatives are going through, some no doubt clinging again to some hope.
Besides still not knowing which hemisphere the plane ended up in, the other crazy surprise of this unfortunate mystery is the apparent lack of suspects that has emerged thus far. Surely it has to involve someone if not a pilot, at least skilled knowledge of flight paths and possibly MH specific communication systems.
Unless some information comes out about either the crew or passengers we are not aware of, I am increasingly of the view we will likely never discover what happened.

 

[DrA]

Yeah, maybe not. But I cant see hijacking because surely by now we would know their demands otherwise no point in hijacking, I guess.

Pilot suicide doesnt make sense because why turn back if you want to put the plane into the ocean.

One thing I have noticed is greater US coverage and I am wonder ing the US is on edge thinking its on again.

Bolding is mine. You say "we"...You're assuming demands haven't been made. Just because there's nothing public, doesn't mean demands haven't been made to government, military, or even to the company who had all of those staff on board.

 

[DC3]

Yes, that would really reduce the fuel consumption to, well nothing really. A Boeing 777 has just two engines.

Yeah. That poster on FT must be a bit confused if he/she is theorising about the turning off of two (i.e.,both) engines. It may minimise fuel consumption but a 777 has a limited glide I would think.