NAN run over - massive price increase?

[markis10]

It's clearly a fare adjustment despite what the website says, I spoke to the ACCC and they feel a case can be made for them to take action under the TPC given the size of the increase and have suggested I initiate proceedings, apparently it's no different to someone taking a deposit then increasing the final price 4x for goods.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's clearly a fare adjustment despite what the website says, I spoke to the ACCC and they feel a case can be made for them to take action under the TPC given the size of the increase and have suggested I initiate proceedings, apparently it's no different to someone taking a deposit then increasing the final price 4x for goods.

I'll be interested in the final outcome.

I suppose you're really fighting the website coding. Wouldn't be surprised if that was just the general reason that pops up if a fare changes in price. Hope you get to fly the run. I was hoping to do it next year...no luck

I suppose looking forward, the other question this throws up...now what is the best status run in Aus?

 

[markis10]

I'll be interested in the final outcome.

I suppose you're really fighting the website coding. Wouldn't be surprised if that was just the general reason that pops up if a fare changes in price. Hope you get to fly the run. I was hoping to do it next year...no luck

Not fighting the coding, fighting the massive hike in costs for what is the same thing that has been delivered for the last few years in terms of product. Best case scenario I will get my Xmas holiday, worst case get my deposit back I suppose, the ACCC were very interested regardless.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Not fighting the coding, fighting the massive hike in costs for what is the same thing that has been delivered for the last few years in terms of product. Best case scenario I will get my Xmas holiday, worst case get my deposit back I suppose, the ACCC were very interested regardless.

Good luck with it anyway. I hope it works out well...even if I have my doubts.

 

[Taezar]

Just went through all my emails - nothing from QF re price increase on my bookings. Lame.
Also went back and saw they never recredited my $25 deposit when I paid for my fare last time.
I see another letter to Qantas in my future.
Lame.

 

[anat0l]

Just went through all my emails - nothing from QF re price increase on my bookings. Lame.

If your fares are already ticketed then you shouldn't have to pay more ("mistake" fares are different, but this is not a "mistake". Government unapprovals maybe, but again not the case. It's an invalid routing now but not illegal so I don't see reasoning in changing it since the ticket is "set"). markis10's haven't been ticketed yet (nonetheless, there may be a legal challenge anyway).

markis10, will be interesting to see what comes out of your experience. Might blow off the whole Hold Now Pay Later thing (though interesting why you didn't just pay for the lot in the first place... never mind...)

Damn, the nice routing is gone, just like they got rid of BNE-ADL via SYD or MEL. I guess it didn't help that we had it plastered all over this board

It was good while it lasted, though. A moment of silence for those of us who enjoyed going to Fiji in style (that is, FF style ). I know my stay in Fiji was a nice few days at the Hilton Denarau.

To be fair, pending on availability the actual Business fare to Fiji is not unreasonable (direct, of course). Kind of similar to the argument made on Air New Zealand forums (FlyerTalk) about going to Tahiti in Business.


Just looking at the thread title now - the NAN runneth over! (kudos to those who see the attempted reference)

 

[markis10]

markis10, will be interesting to see what comes out of your experience. Might blow off the whole Hold Now Pay Later thing (though interesting why you didn't just pay for the lot in the first place... never mind...)

Damn, the nice routing is gone, just like they got rid of BNE-ADL via SYD or MEL. I guess it didn't help that we had it plastered all over this board
)

I booked it now pay later to lock in the fare buckets for a trip with my son but it was not 100% certain. If it has gone for sure then we had a good run with it while it was there. Ironically the same day it happened new opportunities were raised, so they come and they go!

 

[Bundy Bear]

The fact that the NAN run has gone doesn't really surprise me, it was good while it lasted.

What for me is the more pressing question is the $25.00 to hold a seat now. I guess you are holding a seat in the fare bucket you want but the price of the fare bucket can change so you are stung for the charges which I think there is a case to answer.

 

[The Rok]

I booked it now pay later to lock in the fare buckets for a trip with my son but it was not 100% certain. If it has gone for sure then we had a good run with it while it was there. Ironically the same day it happened new opportunities were raised, so they come and they go!

I was of the understanding that the "Book Now, Pay later" simply held the seat, not a specific price or fare bucket? That has always been my understanding which is why I never used it.

I never saw the point of it. If it were to be used to lock in a price upfront then it would really just make a balls of the whole booking process for the airline, they would never make money. Folks would just lock in at the cheapest rate and then decide later of they were going to fly.

 

[haydensydney]

Aww.... now you guys will need to earn status the old fashioned way e.g. by actually paying for and flying normal routes :mrgreen:

 

[markis10]

I was of the understanding that the "Book Now, Pay later" simply held the seat, not a specific price or fare bucket? That has always been my understanding which is why I never used it.

I never saw the point of it. If it were to be used to lock in a price upfront then it would really just make a balls of the whole booking process for the airline, they would never make money. Folks would just lock in at the cheapest rate and then decide later of they were going to fly.

You were locking in a specific fare bucket, not just a seat, and subject to fare changes which did occur as fuel elvies etc changed, permitted routing changes are rare but what has happened in this case. Having always thought it was a good deal, its a little sad to see it go just when I might use it! Cest la vie.

 

[tuapekastar]

You were locking in a specific fare bucket, not just a seat, and subject to fare changes which did occur as fuel elvies etc changed, permitted routing changes are rare but what has happened in this case. Having always thought it was a good deal, its a little sad to see it go just when I might use it! Cest la vie.

Indeed, I have looked at this fare a few times with intent, but hadn't yet got around to booking it. C'est la vie as you say!

 

[medhead]

La vie




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[Timba-Jet]

I did the NAN run last year after learning about it here. Was looking forward to another taste of Fiji later this year.

Onward to the next run discovery....

 

[Austman]

Originating routings where there are non-stop flights to NAN seems to be the problem.

It's still possible to get routings like CBR-MEL-NAN-SYD-CBR in J for $1,760.00. And CBR-MEL-NAN-MEL-CBR in J for $1,752.00 (overnight needed in MEL).

CBR-MEL-NAN-SYD-CBR in J earns 260 SCs and 13,426 FF points (if WP).
CBR-MEL-NAN-MEL-CBR in J earns 280 SCs and 14,506 FF points (if WP).

And if bought as two tickets:
CBR-MEL-NAN-SYD-CBR in J is $855.00 + FJ$1453.00 ($772.00), totalling ca $1,627.00
CBR-MEL-NAN-MEL-CBR in J is $855.00 + FJ$1431.00 ($760.00), totalling ca $1,615.00

Also:
MEL-NAN in J is $825.00 if bought on the Qantas website (and WPs get Flounge access if it stays open that late )
NAN-MEL in J is FJ$1,076.20 ($572.00) if bought on the Air Pacific website.
Total is ca $1397.00 which earns 200 SCs and 12,006FF points (if WP)

I went MEL-SYD-NAN-SYD-MEL in October 2010. That cost $1,337.00 and earnt 240 SCs.

So, it's more expensive than before and doesn't have so many routing options. But it still could be good for some.

 

[oz_mark]

It's clearly a fare adjustment despite what the website says, I spoke to the ACCC and they feel a case can be made for them to take action under the TPC given the size of the increase and have suggested I initiate proceedings, apparently it's no different to someone taking a deposit then increasing the final price 4x for goods.

What did Qantas say?

The way I see it, is that it is not really a fare adjustment but a new fare,

It is one thing to have a fare adjustment, but quite another to change the fare conditions that the fare was based on!

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Doesn't the fact that QF have taken a deposit of AUD25.00 for these flights mean they have entered some kind of binding agreement with the pax to supply those flights for that price?

 

[medhead]

Doesn't the fact that QF have taken a deposit of AUD25.00 for these flights mean they have entered some kind of binding agreement with the pax to supply those flights for that price?

The conditions of the deposit probably say the fare is subject to change.

 

[oz_mark]

The conditions of the deposit probably say the fare is subject to change.

They are, but are the underlying rules subject to unilateral change by Qantas?

 

[medhead]

They are, but are the underlying rules subject to unilateral change by Qantas?

I wasn't really taking on that line, or saying it was fair or anything. Just saying that in doing the deposit the conditions would probably say they can change the fare. Definitely no comment on whether that includes the underlying fare rules or otherwise. I also think that it may not be a legal condition to say the fare can change when taking a deposit, that might also mean a price could change when doing a lay by or a hotel room could increase after you book and pay a deposit.