NBN Discussion

[Lynda2475]

We have iinet NBN in our Melbourne apartment. It’s rubbish compared with Optus wifi at home.

What access technology and speed tier are you on Pushka?

My nbn 50/20 kicks butt over my optus (typically gets 12/1) and Telstra mobile data (typically gives 15/2), i was so glad to be off adsl which never gave better than 7/1 due to coughpy copper.

Some unscrupulous rsps sign people up to 12/1 plans which are onky meant for phone only services.

 

[Hvr]

With other dramas here I was pleased to see an NBN van out the front this morning. They are replacing the pit on the front lawn and once it is rewired (expected next few days) we will have HFC NBN.

I spoke to the men doing the work and noticed their van was parked a few car lengths away due to being on a T intersection. I asked them if they would like to park in our driveway while doing the work. They were very happy and people can still get in and out as required.

I am so looking forward to getting rid of ADSL and getting some fast internet.

 

[JessicaTam]

With other dramas here I was pleased to see an NBN van out the front this morning. They are replacing the pit on the front lawn and once it is rewired (expected next few days) we will have HFC NBN.

I spoke to the men doing the work and noticed their van was parked a few car lengths away due to being on a T intersection. I asked them if they would like to park in our driveway while doing the work. They were very happy and people can still get in and out as required.

I am so looking forward to getting rid of ADSL and getting some fast internet.

"More jokes, faster!"

 

[cove]

If you read now what Rudd is saying about his NBN thought bubble you will get to understand why the money spent will not be recovered in full. It is now a matter of just how much has been lost.

 

[serfty]

If you read now what Rudd is saying about his NBN thought bubble you will get to understand why the money spent will not be recovered in full. It is now a matter of just how much has been lost.

Something like “it was never envisaged that the NBN generate a commercial rate of return” ?

 

[moa999]

Which is not exactly what was said when the project was launched with high single digit IRRs (which I think would be acceptable commercially for a monopoly asset)

Sadly both parties have stuffed it up, and taken wildly optimistic forecasts from no doubt highly paid consultants, and we're all left paying for the mess.

The NZ model which started with a monopoly being given to a Wholesale equivalent (so no buying/leasing of ducts, or duplication) and direct cash injections by government is providing much faster and cheaper results in NZ cities.
Although regional areas aren't covered in the NZ solution - so you have people paying big $s for satellite (on the 10+ yo Optus Sat)

 

[33kft]

The NZ model which started with a monopoly being given to a Wholesale equivalent (so no buying/leasing of ducts, or duplication) and direct cash injections by government is providing much faster and cheaper results in NZ cities.

Not sure this would have flown in AU. It all goes back to the CDMA network that was built by Telstra with partial government funding, the last time Telstra accepted public funding for infrastructure. Telstra was bound to resell services on it to competitors at low wholesale rates and when 3G technology became available and the prospect of CDMA data rates on their own private network were a reality, they immediately did what they could to push customers onto the NextG network and shutter the CDMA network.

And so on it has gone with the retail and wholesale arms of Telstra stepping all over each other in a race to leverage competitive advantage for Telstra Retail. At least in NZ, the structural separation of Spark and Chorus allowed a platform for Chorus to own the infrastructure. It is rumoured/expected that Telstra's voluntary structural separation exercise which is currently ongoing will result in nbnco being folded into the new wholesale arm in the same way.

 

[Quickstatus]

If you read now what Rudd is saying about his NBN thought bubble you will get to understand why the money spent will not be recovered in full. It is now a matter of just how much has been lost.

Waiting for one side of politics to do a write down which then puts it back on the books and the budget into the red again and then blame the other side.

I suspect it will be Shorten's mob because better for the budget to be back in the red blaming a Coalition's stuffup and then remain in the red

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Which is not exactly what was said when the project was launched with high single digit IRRs

Of course the politicians (Rudd+conroy) would say that - it keeps the project off the budget at a time when they were racking up huge deficits. Despite private capital saying it could never be done with positive IRR. Rudd knew better than anyone else of course. Most do not believe that NBN will ever make anywhere close to the IRR that it is touting.

It will go back to what it should have been all along - a public infrastructure project and not a commercial venture.

I am so looking forward to getting rid of ADSL and getting some fast internet.

You sure about it?. That expectation was not realised for many in HFC tech areas

 

[cove]

With Australia becoming ungovernable with so many independents and minor parties it is unlikely that decisions on NBN will get it working without massive glitches. Certainly NBN resellers are unlikely to do much good. A write off seems inevitable.
Our multiple experiences with the NBN in our family would pretty much defy any reasonable explanation. Five visits to the grandparents home and a non disclosure deal was the start of our family journey. It hasn’t gone much better since then.

 

[Simo]

NBN is suppose to be finished in 2020!!!! No chance and still 3 PM's to go!!!

 

[Quickstatus]

It will be completed by then

In 2020 a politician will announce:
“The NBN build is complete*”

*some locations will require further work...

 

[Hvr]

I am so looking forward to getting rid of ADSL and getting some fast internet.

You sure about it?. That expectation was not realised for many in HFC tech areas

More confident than I was when the project was first announced. We've got completely new cable and taps in the pits which is where some of the biggest problems were previously occurring.
The Real Story Behind NBN's HFC Delay

The original Telstra/Foxtel cable will be abandoned in our area. I've seen inside the pit right on the front lawn, about 20m from my residence. All new cabling.

 

[33kft]

The original Telstra/Foxtel cable will be abandoned in our area. I've seen inside the pit right on the front lawn, about 20m from my residence. All new cabling.

This is the most important part. A lot of people confuse the lead-in with the network itself, I still have the same old copper lead in I've always had but it is wired into an FTTC DPU in the pit, and I get fantastic speeds, 100/40 easily. The only last mile technology I wouldn't want to be on is FTTN which I suspect will all be replaced with FTTC in the near future.

 

[drsmithy]

If you read now what Rudd is saying about his NBN thought bubble you will get to understand why the money spent will not be recovered in full. It is now a matter of just how much has been lost.

The purpose of public services and assets is not to turn a profit.

 

[PLANT]

I'm ready to connect!
HFC
Anyone use Exetel?

 

[Hvr]

I'm ready to connect!
HFC
Anyone use Exetel?

Apparently they have a good service if you know what to do regarding connections etc. I've heard their customer service assumes you have a very high technical knowledge.

I used them for ADSL many years ago and found this to be the case whenever an issue arose which was rarely.

 

[Buzzard]

I'm ready to connect!
HFC
Anyone use Exetel?

Any reason why you wouldn't go with Aussie Broadband ?

 

[PLANT]

Price......
More expensive for same 50/20......
It's a gamble for service though..... From reading

 

[33kft]

I get that people want to spread the word when they find an ISP that they like, but I've never gotten why anyone would want everyone to sign up with their same ISP. That is exactly what gets ISPs into trouble (signing up tons of customers and then hitting contention points that are costly to fix). I would suspect the $50 referral bonus is a good incentive but personally I'll be going towards whoever isn't getting talked about much provided that they aren't owned by TPG as I'm well aware of what the David Teoh touch does to an ISP.

 

[RB]

I get that people want to spread the word when they find an ISP that they like, but I've never gotten why anyone would want everyone to sign up with their same ISP. That is exactly what gets ISPs into trouble (signing up tons of customers and then hitting contention points that are costly to fix). I would suspect the $50 referral bonus is a good incentive but personally I'll be going towards whoever isn't getting talked about much provided that they aren't owned by TPG as I'm well aware of what the David Teoh touch does to an ISP.

I respect your opinion. I have no intention of pushing my referral bonus. My reason for support for Aussie Broadband is that I live in a regional area & they let me look at whether I am going to encounter any congestion/contention-I can look at the actual POI figures. The last I read , not many if any other ISP's are doing this