NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

None at all. Indeed you may even be able to port your number to a new provider.

Although, why would you need a landline?

I would hold on to landline in FW/Sat areas especially if the NBN services are not as good as POTS ADSL. And elderly occupants will find it important for 000

A friend lives about 10km from me. He is Satellite. He went back to ADSL

 

[Pushka]

I will be so glad when NBN has finished SA. I’m so sick of their installation process greatly restricting roads. It’s been happening in Adelaide for 3 years. Put up with it in our old suburb where they’d just finished only to find them just starting in our new place.

 

[Lynda2475]

In Fixed Wireless and Satellite areas you can keep copper landline for now.

However if you are in the fixed line footprint (FTTP, FTTC, FTTN or HFC), you can't keep a copper telephone line. On FTTP and HFC you can keep it up until the end of the 18 months co-existence period, but FTTC/N use that copper line so you lose the PSTN service immediately.

If on fixed line you can port your number to a VOIP service but it will only work when the internet is up. So it is important to have a mobile as back-up as in event of black-out or nbn outage you wont have a working landline with a VOIP service.

 

[Legoman]

Legitimate question. Perhaps in a few years they'll be abolished due to lack of demand - who knows - but I perceive superior voice quality even with the ageing copper network and like the lack of dropouts compared to mobiles.

Unfortunately you would be very wrong with this assumption. My brand new installation with a brand new latest model/generation VOIP modem has piss poor VOIP quality. It is noticeably worse quality than mobile. Long delays and occasionally echoey. It's akin to 1980's quality ISDN international calling via satellite. It reminds me actually of the UHF radios I use at work, where two people cannot speak at the same time.

Just another reason why this whole NBN exercise has been a complete waste of money and time. $50bn later and we've got worse telephone voice quality and barely a noticeable speed increase in data download speed. Hopeless joke.

 

[moa999]

Unfortunately you would be very wrong with this assumption. My brand new installation with a brand new latest model/generation VOIP modem has piss poor VOIP quality.

Definitely shouldn't be the case (unless on Sat). What NBN tech are you on.

My VOIP on FTTB is crystal clear, way better than the old analogue. Even better to some mobiles and call centres where I seemingly sometimes get HD voice connections.

 

[serfty]

One of the beneifits of going to the NBN was the elimination of white noise from the ADSL modem straining to get a decent internet. (We were a 'long way' from the exchange.)

 

[marki]

In new office the NBN is to the premesis. This should provide ultra good quality and decent download speeds. Hoping cvc is ok. Which service provider in your opinion has the best service if not Telstra?

 

[Legoman]

Definitely shouldn't be the case (unless on Sat). What NBN tech are you on.

FTTN 1km cable distance to closest exchange. Used to get 12Mbps on ADSL easily day-in, day-out with near on perfect recent reliability. Now get no better than 33/15Mbps

 

[Quickstatus]

Just another reason why this whole NBN exercise has been a complete waste of money and time. $50bn later and we've got worse telephone voice quality and barely a noticeable speed increase in data download speed. Hopeless joke.

My data downloads are currently in the order of 1-3/0.2-0.3Mbps. When I get FTTC, I will be able to get 100Mbps but will only need the lowest tier which is 25/5
My landline is crackly despite numerous Telstra visits

 

[moa999]

Used to get 12Mbps on ADSL easily day-in, day-out with near on perfect recent reliability. Now get no better than 33/15Mbps

That's still a tripling of download speed, and 15x on the up, but FTTN on a 1km is losing node lotto.

Is your internal wiring optimised for FTTN? You only want a single phone point. Any extra unused points, or splits or old ADSL filters or mode3 alarms can hurt the speed.

Despite being able to get 100/40 I only pay for a 25/5 plan (with 300 GB data) on ABB (suits my needs) and my VOIP is crystal clear... Voice data is relatively low bandwidth and would takeup 0.1/0.1,
Although depending on the RSP it can use the same path as regular data.

 

[Buzzard]

When we went to NBN (with ABB) our VOIP was perfect. We only got rid of it because we were paying for something we didn't use.

 

[Quickstatus]

That's still a tripling of download speed, and 15x on the up, but FTTN on a 1km is losing node lotto.

Is your internal wiring optimised for FTTN? You only want a single phone point. Any extra unused points, or splits or old ADSL filters or mode3 alarms can hurt the speed.

Despite being able to get 100/40 I only pay for a 25/5 plan (with 300 GB data) on ABB (suits my needs) and my VOIP is crystal clear... Voice data is relatively low bandwidth and would takeup 0.1/0.1,
Although depending on the RSP it can use the same path as regular data.

Virtually all RSP do not use TC-1 for voice (if on FTTP). It is easier for them to use TC-4 for all data and voice.
Apart from the small minority of noisy users who want Gbps download speeds and who have 5 people in the house all watching 5x 4K netflix at the same time and simultaneously using multiple devices and moving large terabytes of data, the rest of NBN users just purchase the product they need (not want). And is so often the case 25/5 is more than adequate.

I rent out a place in Wagga to 4 university students. FTTP. They tried 100/40, then 50/20 then 25/5. They cant discern a difference so are staying on 25/5 plan.

 

[Quickstatus]

Even if you win the FTTN node lotto you don't necessarily want the top speed available:

My Jindabyne friend who went from 100/40 to 50/20 and has been on 25/5 for many many months just sent me this:
He does not care that his attainable rate is over 100Mbps.
While the grass is greener, you only still eat what you need.

He mentioned that it's no use being able to have high line speeds. Try pinging a server in the USA

 

[marki]

Even if you win the FTTN node lotto you don't necessarily want the top speed available:

My Jindabyne friend who went from 100/40 to 50/20 and has been on 25/5 for many many months just sent me this:
He does not care that his attainable rate is over 100Mbps.
While the grass is greener, you only still eat what you need.

He mentioned that it's no use being able to have high line speeds. Try pinging a server in the USA

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This means these tier speeds are all smoke and mirrors

 

[Quickstatus]

The tiers are just the maximum speeds available. Don’t forget that the bottlenecks are not just in the NBN space but outside the NBN and may even be overseas.

It depends on what server you are connected to. Sure if you ping a local RSP server you should get close to the line speed but if you ping an overseas server, the speed will drop

 

[Daver6]

The tiers are just the maximum speeds available. Don’t forget that the bottlenecks are not just in the NBN space but outside the NBN and may even be overseas.

It depends on what server you are connected to. Sure if you ping a local RSP server you should get close to the line speed but if you ping an overseas server, the speed will drop

Not to be pednantic but don't confuse ping with bandwidth. Pings are a measured in time and bandwidth in transfer speed.

 

[Quickstatus]

correct. should have said speed test with a target server at a remote location - say someplace overseas.

 

[moa999]

This means these tier speeds are all smoke and mirrors

Not at all. Simply a want versus need and value equation for the consumer.
There are real costs in being able to provide peak speeds in case everyone hits it at the same time.

 

[marki]

Not at all. Simply a want versus need and value equation for the consumer.
There are real costs in being able to provide peak speeds in case everyone hits it at the same time.

Hi ...Yes want versus speed but from what I understand there is really no big difference. OK you have speed but there might other issues like CVC constraints or bottlenecks overseas.

 

[marki]

I have an update the new office with NBN fiber to the premises ....is a very nice experience. Ping is 3m/s mostly sometimes 4. I have never before had such ping's. Usually double or even triple digit pings were the normal on ADSL. So this means gaming is going to be much better for me. lol.