NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

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I have an update the new office with NBN fiber to the premises ....is a very nice experience. Ping is 3m/s mostly sometimes 4. I have never before had such ping's. Usually double or even triple digit pings were the normal on ADSL. So this means gaming is going to be much better for me. lol.

whats the ping to the gaming server...

 

[marki]

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whats the ping to the gaming server...

This definitely needs to be checked. I am hoping is fast to very fast. Will come back with that. I took Foxtel Broadband as it was reasonable price with foxtel TV. They also have unlimited downloads and very responsive downloads.

 

[Quickstatus]

Most who quote ping speeds and line speeds don’t realise that they should target the correct server.

Often the target server is overseas and latency and speed might be very different.

 

[drron]

I do like Aussie Broadband.They have sensible suggestions.

Aussie Broadband suggests NBN Co pay $150 for missed appointments

Instead of current $25 rebate.

www.itnews.com.au

 

[Legoman]

I think when you get your line tested for lack of speed and the official word is that your line quality is only capable of carrying 50% (for example) of the speed tier service you're paying for, that you should then be able to get a 50% reduction on your bill if the speed tiers are not infinitely tuneable.

In my case, I'm paying for 50/20 speed, but NBN themselves have tested the line quality and said I will never get more than 34mbps because of the technical limitations of the FTTN service technology. Fair enough, but for some bizarre reason this information doesn't equate to a 33% discount on my $60/mo bill.

A perfectly valid analogy would be I go to a bottle shop and buy a carton a beer for $60. When I open it at home though I find it only contains 16 bottles instead of the 24 expected. But no refund or discount for that. How on Earth this is legal and above board in a civilised society I have no idea, but I guess when you're a monopoly of the government's initiative, then you can successfully hide behind the rules the government decides apply (or rather don't apply) to you.

 

[moa999]

Never get more than 34mbps because of the technical limitations....
A perfectly valid analogy

Assume you've had your internal house wiring looked at, as it's a common cause of speed issues.. you only want a single phone point in the house, other outlets even if unused will degrade speeds due to reflections, but some unfortunately suffer due to network design with a long line even with perfect home wiring.

I think a better analogy is water. Say you have a slightly smaller water pipe than your neighbour restricting max flow rate. I suspect you aren't getting a discount - and if you left your shower running all day you could probably use more water in a day than the neighbour would in a year.

But it's ultimately down to the NBN wholesale charging methodology and what they offer the RSPs.
Some RSPs do provide slightly cheaper 25/5 plans (eg. AussieBBs 25/5 is $10/MTH cheaper than 50/20), and I suspect more may next year as the NBN is looking to introduce a new wholesale 25/5 tier that is $7-8 cheaper than 50/20 (at the moment it's the same)

 

[Quickstatus]

Our first NBN experience
Our office just got HFC NBN. The new leadin (no previous HFC as we had ADSL):

 

[moa999]

Our first NBN experience

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[moa999]

Sticky tape on ducting.
Definitely not a pro install.

 

[Quickstatus]

Actually there was nothing sticky on ducting. Thats how they left it. That is the pro instal.

But the absurd thing is that the room where the internet rack and modem is has an external wall. They could have just gone through that wall.

 

[Quickstatus]

As it’s a commercial buildings the 4 owners incl us are going to apply for a TCP FTTP now that it’s up and running.

But not before making them come back to fix their sh** job.

 

[Carrots]

Has anyone had any first hand experience with applying a ATA / Analogue Telephone Adaptor to a small office telephone system?

Trying to determine options for the partners new physio clinic.

 

[moa999]

Not to a office system. But I use a Cisco SPA112 to my analogue wireless handsets

 

[moa999]

As it’s a commercial buildings the 4 owners incl us are going to apply for a TCP FTTP now that it’s up and running.

It is crazy that you can't do this until it's installed. But at the moment unless you have massive issues with HFC there isn't much benefit going to FTTP (may be in the future, but HFC can also get Docsis4 speed upgrades). If in central areas I'd look outside of NBN (eg. TPG, Telstra first)

 

[Quickstatus]

That’s true but there is agreement among all 4 in the building to go so the upgrade cost will be a lot lower. While it’s FTTP the actual connection we are asking for is TC-2 so called “enterprise Ethernet”. The Telstra exchange is 250m away and HFC cannot do TC-2.

Essentially we get our own uncontended fibre from the FAN.
Because of this there is no cost benefit in going later

 

[Legoman]

Assume you've had your internal house wiring looked at,

No point. The NBN tech who tested the line says they can only test the line to the junction that leads into the house. The test does not include the house wiring. So when they came up with the magical figure of only 34Mbps capable line quality, they were only talking about if my computer was directly connected to it sat out on the kerb next to my driveway. Since the max I can get inside the house where my computer is actually connected is 33Mbps, I conclude that the street wiring over which I have no control causes the attenuation loss from a theoretical 50 down to 34, and then from there my 40 year old house wiring is responsible for another 1Mbps loss from 34 to 33.

Some RSPs do provide slightly cheaper 25/5 plans (eg. AussieBBs 25/5 is $10/MTH cheaper than 50/20), and I suspect more may next year as the NBN is looking to introduce a new wholesale 25/5 tier that is $7-8 cheaper than 50/20 (at the moment it's the same)

Exetel offered me a special 25/5 speed tier as an option to address my complaint. Exetel don't have a 25/5 speed option on their books for my area, so this was unexpected. They wanted $10/mo MORE to put me on 25/5 instead of what I am paying for 50/20. I had to question their accounting sense when they offered that.

 

[OZDUCK]

I have just gone onto the NBN, after waiting until I got sick of the warning notes about the looming "shutdown" of ADSL2 in my area. It became available here about 18 months ago. I stayed with iPrimus, not because they are anything special but I have been with them, Internet & landline, for over 15 years on ADSL & ADSL2 and have only been offline for about 2 days over that time. So I decided to stick with the devil I know.

In reality the changeover went much better than I thought. The Internet was back up almost immediately with just one "manual" reset of the modem required. There was a problem with the landline but that has now been fixed. So after three days everything seems to be working ok and the speeds seem close to that advertised. . We don't play on-line games or download movies etc so have started with just a 25mbps unlimited plan as it was faster than our old ADSL2 and that had been fine for us. So I seem to have got off better than many.

 

[moa999]

I think it works successfuly for the majority.. just they don't post about it, but there are more people with issues than there should be.

 

[Quickstatus]

In other news my area is now classified as Build commenced for FTTC - with aerial fibre and DPU deployment in many areas
A DJL unit "distribution joint location" has been built. It is the demarcation between the distribution fibre network (DFN) and the local fibre network (LFN).
The all important FJL (flexibility joint location) unit is apparently going into a large double steel covered pit 350m away from my driveway. This unit takes the 12 fibre ribbon core from the DJL and splits the optical signal of each fibre and splices to local single strands which gets sent to other splitters then to the DPU.

This is important for TCP upgrade purposes. Unless NBN deviates from its network rules, it means that if ever I need to get a TCP upgrade, then the upgrade distance would be at most 350m.

 

[DC3]

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