NBN Discussion

[gstfree]

Any provider that gives frequent flyer points?

 

[moa999]

Any provider that gives frequent flyer points?

None I'm aware of

 

[whatmeworry]

Analysis showing FTTP better in as little as 6 and a half years.

ANALYSIS
It costs $4,400 to install fibre to the premises (FTTP) but only $2,100 to install fibre to the node (FTTN). Recent figures from NBN Co suggest that when the OPEX (Operating Expenses) paid per year to run these services and Revenue generated from these services is taken into account, then FTTP may be better value than FTTN in as short a period as 6 1/2 years. See the Graph below, which shows Cash generated by FTTP exceeds that generated by FTTN after 6 1/2 years.

Value Management: Innovation 2.0: FTTP vs FTTN; when is spending $4,400 better value than spending $2,100?

Net speeds across EU.

 

[whatmeworry]

You need to read about the poor bloke from the Adelaide Hills.

South Australian Matthew Wilkinson lives within sight of the Adelaide central business district in the Adelaide Hills region. He currently has access to an ADSL2+ fixed-line broadband connection.
Wilkinson’s suburb was originally slated to receive a full Fibre to the Premises rollout under the previous Labor approach to the National Broadband Network, along with the vast majority of Australian premises. However, due to the geographical position of his residence, Wilkinson was slated to receive a fixed wireless connection.
Due to this issue, in 2012 Wilkinson sought a quote from the NBN company to extend its Fibre to the Premises rollout all the way to his premises. The proposed fibre extension would stretch a mere 1.3 kilometres from the nearest NBN network boundary.

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/05...metro-customer-to-be-replaced-with-satellite/

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Analysis showing FTTP better in as little as 6 and a half years.



Value Management: Innovation 2.0: FTTP vs FTTN; when is spending $4,400 better value than spending $2,100?

A lot of assumptions made based on a draft report.

Net speeds across EU.

Not sure what relevance that has, but let's take a look at population density which has a direct correlation to costs for infrastructure per taxpayer, shall we...



And that old chestnut...

 

[drsmithy]

A lot of assumptions made based on a draft report.



Not sure what relevance that has, but let's take a look at population density which has a direct correlation to costs for infrastructure per taxpayer, shall we...

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And that old chestnut...

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You seem to have forgotten to exclude the 80%+ of Australia that is completely empty, and thus not relevant to the comparison. Again.

As has been pointed out before, something like 80% of the population lives in ten cities, and 90% in twenty-five. We are one of the most urbanised countries in the world.

This might help make the point:

Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Australians are going to find themselves unemployed in the next few years. Building a proper NBN would be a good thing to put them to work doing.

 

[drron]

And Melbourne is south of Turkey and Cairns in Finland with Perth in Portugal on that map.
On the east coast a lot of little red dots on your map though you do have to look closely.

 

[drsmithy]

And Melbourne is south of Turkey and Cairns in Finland with Perth in Portugal on that map.

Yes. With a vast swathe of empty space in between.

The lie being presented here is that Australia has a similar population distribution to Europe (ie: a similar sized land mass with people all over it), when it is nothing of the sort.

 

[whatmeworry]

I wonder why the Liberals hate making assets for the public good?

Why do the nationals love free trade but love socialism even more when it comes to their farms?

 

[whatmeworry]

Nick Ross has resigned from the ABC and will reveal how he was gagged on the NBN with a AMA on Reddit today.

https://twitter.com/NickRossTech/status/687555639426433024

 

[whatmeworry]

So Nick Ross did his AMA on Reddit yesterday. According to him his work on the NBN was gagged by ABC management prior to the 2013 election so as not to offend the LNP or Malcolm Turnbull. Here is a summary of the AMA by another redditor.

---- Summary of Nick Ross AMA ----
In early march 2013 Ross was told by [Senior ABC Manager] they were expecting a Lib win. [SAM] didn’t want to upset Malcolm Turnbull as he’d be comms minister and they suspected funding cuts.
Articles were held back, at least one not published Heavy pressure on Ross not to write any material on NBN In regards to this article http://www.abc.net.au/tec.../articles/2013/09/19/3851924.htm], Ross was told “There was nothing wrong with that article per se, [but] the NBN was dead and so there’s no point in causing a fuss”. [This is recorded on tape]. This was used as an excuse to keep article from being published.
Ross published article anyway, suspected it was withheld from public view (not linked anywhere)
One senior manager at ABC responsible for pressure and the following incidents (proof), potentially more (hearsay)
Articles held from publishing have been sent to Le May at Delimiter
Burn material collated by Sally Cray [Head of ABC's Corporate Communications] was sent to The Australian for a beat up article [Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet]. Cray’s communication with The Australian stressed that he was “reminded of ABC Editorial Policies”.
Sally Cray was hired from MT’s office to be head of ABC’s corporate communications. Shortly after elections she returned to her old job as Chief Policy Advisor. She was replaced with people from The Australian’s media section.
Media Watch had been completely silent on the NBN coverage up to this episode. The episode was focused entirely on Ross and he claims it was a total beat up. A senior ABC journalist said “They send Media Watch after people they want silenced”.
Le May received a phone call from MW journo, who made it clear they were “out to get Nick”. Le May sent his details to the journalist, but clearly outlined that Ross’ position was that of fact and that there was a lot of misinformation going around. MW never contacted Ross in regards to the episode, despite it being entirely about him.
Ross contacted the journalist. After he explained that all he did was show the facts and draw a balanced conclusion while challenging people to contribute to either side, the journalist told Ross, “Oh yeah, you’re right, but it’s too late to change anything as we’re about to start filming tonight’s episode.”
Media Watch went to air knowing it was wrong about their coverage. Ross describes this episode as “That ****ing program has been the bane of my life for years. It could be used by Journalism Professors as an example of almost every dirty trick in the book for ****journos to do a take down on someone.”
They then lectured about the dangers of He Said She Said journalism having done just that. Holmes even acknowledged this when called on it while it aired on Twitter. https://twitter.com/jonaholmesAge/status/311077077203951616 “Fair point. Tweet follows RT @joshgnosis: #mediawatch resorted to he-said she-said reporting to determine whether the article was accurate.” Joshgnosis – who is ZDNet reporter Joshua Taylor went on: https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/311083488239570944 “@jamesteajourno It didn’t assess the claims made in the article at all. Just used LeMay and Lynch’s views on the article.”
Having used every dirty underhanded tactic in the book and come up empty, they moved to their “smoking gun” quote. However, they didn’t tell the audience that it came from a different article altogether (buried in a caption).
The episode included quotes taken out of context to imply opposite meaning, character assassination and cherry picking of biased sources (Commsday). They failed to include that Nick’s article had taken 2 years to research and write.
Because of that article and the episode of Media Watch, many people (esp. colleagues) thought he’d done something wrong as he had no platform to defend himself.
He was ostracised by his colleagues and his requests for interviews on TV and radio disappeared.
He was told by the ABC to not complain or put forward his side of the story, to keep his head down and when it was all gone he’d be alright.
The episode was used as “evidence” by his opposition of his alleged bias towards the FTTP plan. His integrity as a journalist had been falsely called into question and his articles discredited.
He was consistently denied his right of reply by key ABC entities. Ross lost friends and even family members and peers thought he was too controversial to take seriously. It contributed to severe stress for Nick which even saw him hospitalised. He’s still on blood pressure medication.
Shortly after, funding was cut to Ross' tech site. Because this, and the beat up in the Australian and in MediaWatch, Ross suffered emotional trauma and applied for Comcare (like Work Cover for public service).
ABC HR created a Burn File on Ross, he has a copy. It goes through all emails and conversations over the last 3 years was hundreds of pages long. Anecdotal evidence from seniors at ABC which painted a picture of a maverick journalist.
He was assigned a caseworker through Comcare. The caseworker then went behind his back and informed the whole of ABC HR about sensitive information related to his boss. This information was then used against him in his Comcare claim. “When I asked her why she would do such a thing I got a letter from the Head of HR telling me not to contact my caseworker again - another would be assigned if needed.”
Head of HR covered up betrayal of Comcare caseworker.
Ross started on anti-depressents for severe stress, severe anxiety and moderate depression.

 

[drron]

So he is saying you cant trust everything you hear or see on the ABC.!
Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[amaroo]

So he is saying you cant trust everything you hear or see on the ABC.!
Thanks for pointing that out.

+ my 0.08c/day

 

[drsmithy]

So he is saying you cant trust everything you hear or see on the ABC.!
Thanks for pointing that out.

The point is that the ABC is losing its independence.

Which is a tragedy for us all.

 

[amaroo]

The point is that the ABC is losing its independence.

Which is a tragedy for us all.

Indeed. It's been a horrible one eye monster for the past 20 years. One can only hope the new management will get this sinker floating again!

 

[drsmithy]

Indeed. It's been a horrible one eye monster for the past 20 years. One can only hope the new management will get this sinker floating again!

LOL.

If there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that the public service that Johnny built won't entertain independent thought.

 

[drron]

LOL.

If there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that the public service that Johnny built won't entertain independent thought.

Nor does the current ABC management.

 

[penegal]

I didn't realise the NBN got its on thread? 817 posts on our favourite white elephant / political plaything / whatever it is.

 

[drsmithy]

Nor does the current ABC management.

Yes. Refer back to the "public service that Johnny built".

 

[drsmithy]

I didn't realise the NBN got its on thread? 817 posts on our favourite white elephant / political plaything / whatever it is.

Core public infrastructure ?