NBN Discussion

[drron]

Goodness gracious Medhead.I have quoted the NSW law.It is illegal to record the conversation unless you can prove you qualify for an exemption.
You really do try and provoke people don't you.
It is my original post that is correct.In this case it was illegal because he has provided it to parties not connected to the conversation.Period.About time you acknowledged that but knowing you and your belief that you are the fount of all knowledge I doubt you could ever admit that something I said was true.
Back to the ignore list for you.

 

[whatmeworry]

Couple of articles by newmatilda on how the ABC gagged Nick Ross and directed him to question Labour's NBN plan.

On May 28, 2013, Ross recorded a meeting with Belsham in which the two discussed an unpublished article Ross had written about the Liberal Party’s NBN policy. The article was critical of the Coalition’s NBN Plan, in particular the Coalition’s plan for a fibre-to-the-node broadband network that would rely on decades-old copper telecommunications infrastructure.


In the tape, obtained by New Matilda, Belsham repeatedly states that he’s under “internal and external” political pressure over Ross’ coverage of the NBN, and explains that despite “having no problems” with the specific story, he (Belsham) can’t publish it because “the Turnbull camp and my superiors will come down on me like a tonne of bricks”.

One of the more interesting exchanges in the meeting – and the one most likely to incite fury in the tech community – is when Belsham delivers his own views on the NBN.
BB: … I do think that for a range of reasons, that plan, [Labor’s] NBN plan, is not going to be the one the country gets.
NR: Well only if everyone was uninformed about it, I would have thought.
BB: No, well that’s, that may or may not be the case. But in the end the NBN and the NBN company will be a failure, however you categorise it.
NR: I couldn’t disagree more.
BB Oh, It will be a failure.
NR: How?
BB: It will be a failure, because it won’t be delivered and that’s a marketing and political failure.

https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/21/f...plan-for-insurance-against-coalition-attacks/

But, as last night’s explosive revelations in New Matilda revealed, in May 2013, ABC manager Bruce Belsham instructed the ABC’s tech journalist Nick Ross to write anti-Labor articles in order to provide “insurance” against claims of political bias. Ross subsequently left the ABC.
This begs the question: how has the ABC covered the NBN since the election of the Coalition?
New Matilda has analysed ABC coverage of the NBN since September 2013. A total of 1,289 articles with the search term “NBN” listed by the search database Factiva were perused. Articles were read for content and for political skew, both in terms of partisan politics and in regards to the technology controversies that continue to dog the network. Needless to say, this was a qualitative analysis.
No party-political skew is apparent – the ABC can’t be said to be more positive towards the Coalition than to Labor in terms of the aggregates.
But after a close reading of much of the ABC’s coverage, what emerges is a pattern of relatively positive coverage of the Malcolm Turnbull’s policy agenda. In covering the NBN, the ABC has tended to make a relatively critical assessment of the NBN under Labor, and, in contrast, a relatively benign assessment of the progress of the NBN under the Coalition.

https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/22/false-balance-abc-coverage-of-the-nbn-since-september-2013/

 

[Simo]

I am in a area that is still not even on the map to get NBN. Would get the Internet at home ifwe could have it.

 

[moa999]

I am in a area that is still not even on the map to get NBN. Would get the Internet at home ifwe could have it.

Satellite area, or city area thats not on the 3yr plan?

 

[drsmithy]

Which would be great if there is no new technology.Unfortunately technology is increasing at an exponential rate.
Also people are more and more wanting mobile technology.my personal bet is the NBN will be superseded well before that 50-100 years.

So we shouldn't build any more roads because one day we might have teleporters ?

 

[cove]

Ok should we connect? We now have NBN in our apartment building.

 

[whatmeworry]

Ok should we connect? We now have NBN in our apartment building.

Couple of reasons.

 

[Simo]

Smallish country town. They are looking at doing wireless. We are in a area that is what called a brow fields area so a lot more work has to be done than a greenfield site.

 

[whatmeworry]

Smallish country town. They are looking at doing wireless. We are in a area that is what called a brow fields area so a lot more work has to be done than a greenfield site.

If you have trees or hills in the way, you're probably stuffed.

 

[drron]

So we shouldn't build any more roads because one day we might have teleporters ?

Self driving cars will be here long before that-
https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/
A future of self-driving cars? We're ready now - CNET
10 Million Self-Driving Cars Will Be On The Road By 2020 - Business Insider
Ford says it will have the biggest fleet of self-driving cars in the auto industry | Business Insider

 

[moa999]

Ok should we connect? We now have NBN in our apartment building.

What do you currently use for phone and Internet.

I went from paying
$25 to Telstra for phone and
$40 to TPG for 40GB at about 8/0.8 (download/upload)

To
$55 to Belong for 100Gb at 25/5
$1 to Telecube for VOIP phone (and much cheaper calls)

Generally the NBN will give you faster speeds, and you will have to switch within 18mths anyway.

Installation was free but I also bought a Cisco SPA112 (about $60) so I could use my analogue DECT phones, and have added a ex-business Cisco SPA504 desk phone.

 

[cove]

Currently I use 4G on my I Pad Air as it works.

 

[drsmithy]

Self driving cars will be here long before that-
https://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/
A future of self-driving cars? We're ready now - CNET
10 Million Self-Driving Cars Will Be On The Road By 2020 - Business Insider
Ford says it will have the biggest fleet of self-driving cars in the auto industry | Business Insider

Not sure I see the relevance. Autonomous cars still need roads.

Also, I find the claims about autonomous cars to generally be very optimistic, particularly around take-up rates and impacts.

It's a long way from adaptive cruise to vehicles without steering wheels.

It'll be a couple of decades before we see a majority of autonomous cars on the road, just like electric cars. Sheer logistics sees to that.

 

[drron]

Not sure I see the relevance. Autonomous cars still need roads.

Also, I find the claims about autonomous cars to generally be very optimistic, particularly around take-up rates and impacts.

It's a long way from adaptive cruise to vehicles without steering wheels.

It'll be a couple of decades before we see a majority of autonomous cars on the road, just like electric cars. Sheer logistics sees to that.

Just pointing out new technology is happening now just as technology of internet access is changing rapidly.
Add the younger generations wanting more mobile access and the business case for the NBN gets softer.Oh!That's right.There was no business case for the NBN.

 

[cove]

Very good memory drron.

 

[drsmithy]

Just pointing out new technology is happening now just as technology of internet access is changing rapidly.
Add the younger generations wanting more mobile access and the business case for the NBN gets softer.Oh!That's right.There was no business case for the NBN.

So we're back to the logic that argues we shouldn't build any roads because at some point in the future some magic and as yet not even conceived technology might come along that renders them obselete.

You are the only person who seems to think nobody has thought about changing technologies.

You also seem to be still regurgitating FUD that was debunked half a decade ago.

(The NBN facilitates mobile connectivity, by the way. It potentially turns every premise into a wifi hotspot.)

 

[Foreigner]

ADSL 2+ is still used by us in the Sydney city. Frustratingly slow.

 

[whatmeworry]

Just pointing out new technology is happening now just as technology of internet access is changing rapidly.
Add the younger generations wanting more mobile access and the business case for the NBN gets softer.Oh!That's right.There was no business case for the NBN.

Yet the ABC keeps quoting the false costings of the FTTP from the LNP yet the ABC neglects to tell us how Malcolm Turdball's MTM went from 29 billion to 56 billion and keeps raising and raising, and that the completion date keeps getting pushed back and back. Last year, the only major NBN story Malcolm did on 7:30 was on how the satellite was getting deployed, which would only benefit 2-3% of the population.

Because of the ABC's softball journalism, the current PM is not being prosecuted on how he and Tony Abbott oversaw the biggest blowout and waste of taxpayers money on the outdated and soon to be redundant MTM, which is even bigger then the cost of pink batts and BER combined.

 

[medhead]

(The NBN facilitates mobile connectivity, by the way. It potentially turns every premise into a wifi hotspot.)

Indeed. And Telstra Air is here now.

 

[medhead]

Goodness gracious Medhead.I have quoted the NSW law.It is illegal to record the conversation unless you can prove you qualify for an exemption.
You really do try and provoke people don't you.
It is my original post that is correct.In this case it was illegal because he has provided it to parties not connected to the conversation.Period.About time you acknowledged that but knowing you and your belief that you are the fount of all knowledge I doubt you could ever admit that something I said was true.
Back to the ignore list for you.

I am truly sorry if you feel that correcting your mistake is provocative. But there is no need for the personal attack. I'm really not sure why you feel the need to try to twist what happened now that you finally decided to listen to me and actually read the legislation.

Despite your pathetic accusation, I'm not claiming to be the fount of all knowledge. Just about something that was part of my previous work involving enforcement of NSW legislation. Strangely enough my employer actually trained me on gathering evidence, including recording conversations.

Now we have the ludicrous idea about having to prove intentions. How does someone prove their intentions for a recording to a third party when they are not allowed to tell a third party about the recording? Proving their intentions would be in breech of the exemption!

While you're at it do tell us how you know that all parties to the conversation haven't agreed to the release of the recording.

Keep digging the hole.