NBN Discussion

[drsmithy]

Indeed. And Telstra Air is here now.

Yes, mostly backed by ADSL.

It'd be much nicer if every Air hotspot had a gigabit or more behind it.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Indeed. And Telstra Air is here now.

The take-up is abysmal, and as a Telstra customer who has about 130Mbps at my disposal, why would I want to share it with some cheapskate in the street for the benefit of maybe using it overseas for a couple of hours in the handful of cities that have Fon WiFi?

It's a rubbish concept. WiFi is a short range technology.

NBN wireless does not use WiFi.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Couple of reasons.

All of which can be done with ADSL2 right now.

If this is the best of their marketing material, I think they best find a new agency.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I am truly sorry if you feel that correcting your mistake is provocative. But there is no need for the personal attack. I'm really not sure why you feel the need to try to twist what happened now that you finally decided to listen to me and actually read the legislation.

Despite your pathetic accusation, I'm not claiming to be the fount of all knowledge. Just about something that was part of my previous work involving enforcement of NSW legislation. Strangely enough my employer actually trained me on gathering evidence, including recording conversations.

Now we have the ludicrous idea about having to prove intentions. How does someone prove their intentions for a recording to a third party when they are not allowed to tell a third party about the recording? Proving their intentions would be in breech of the exemption!

While you're at it do tell us how you know that all parties to the conversation haven't agreed to the release of the recording.

Keep digging the hole.

Says the King of personal attacks.

And to reflect the pedantic nature of your posts, it's spelled "breach".

 

[moa999]

as a Telstra customer who has about 130Mbps at my disposal, why would I want to share it with some cheapskate in the street.

At worst it takes 1-2Mbps - it's severely capped.. Out in burbs I wouldn't think it would be used much at all

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

At worst it takes 1-2Mbps - it's severely capped.. Out in burbs I wouldn't think it would be used much at all

I read somewhere an NBN customer went from 93Mbps to 33 when Telstra Air was enabled. Doesn't seem like 1-2Mbps to me. And for some poor sod on ADSL getting only a few Mbps more than that, it's a large chunk.

 

[drsmithy]

The take-up is abysmal, and as a Telstra customer who has about 130Mbps at my disposal, why would I want to share it with some cheapskate in the street for the benefit of maybe using it overseas for a couple of hours in the handful of cities that have Fon WiFi?

It's a rubbish concept. WiFi is a short range technology.

It's a great concept assuming you have a proper network behind it. A gigabit to each premise is more than adequate bandwidth to spare for wifi connectivity, and if you're in a fairly typical CBD or inner suburban location, wifi's short range is not a huge issue because you're never far from a premise.

It's takeup here is fairly low precisely because most people don't have bandwidth to spare. Take that constraint out of the equation and it's a different story.

NBN wireless does not use WiFi.

Nobody suggested it did.

I read somewhere an NBN customer went from 93Mbps to 33 when Telstra Air was enabled. Doesn't seem like 1-2Mbps to me. And for some poor sod on ADSL getting only a few Mbps more than that, it's a large chunk.

Read it on the internet ? It must be true !

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

It's a great concept assuming you have a proper network behind it. A gigabit to each premise is more than adequate bandwidth to spare for wifi connectivity, and if you're in a fairly typical CBD or inner suburban location, wifi's short range is not a huge issue because you're never far from a premise.

It's takeup here is fairly low precisely because most people don't have bandwidth to spare. Take that constraint out of the equation and it's a different story.



Nobody suggested it did.



Read it on the internet ? It must be true !

Firstly, with LTE, why would you use WiFi and have to jump in and out of coverage areas wherever you go?

And secondly, here's the article: http://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-air-users-complain-of-big-drop-in-speeds-408172

 

[drsmithy]

Firstly, with LTE, why would you use WiFi and have to jump in and out of coverage areas wherever you go?

The most obvious reason is because LTE data is frightfully expensive.

Another might be because cellular is subject to interference, congestion or performance bottlenecks over a much wider area, because that's what it's for. A hotspot will not suffer as much. 4G in busy areas will rarely hit more than a few dozens of Mb/sec, but I could be in a cafe with a hotspot a few metres away getting hundreds of Mb/sec.

Personally, I am not near Air hotspots very often. However, I have a few friends who are (Brisbane CBD) and they tell me the transition from one to another is easy and seamless. They love it.

Reported problems with Air on the hotspot side are rare according to that article. I'd be willing to bet of the people who are having problems, nearly all of them are doing something "clever" with custom networks, third party routers, etc, etc. Corner cases.

 

[jukebox333]

Ok should we connect? We now have NBN in our apartment building.

What sort of connection have you been cursed/blessed with, Cove? FTTN or FTTP?

 

[cove]

I had better ask about this.
In California we are being offered 100 Mb/sec for about $50USD a month. Does that seem reasonable?

 

[marki]

Over 100mb per sec offered in Berlin No limits plus lots of tv channels for 30 Euro month. ( Kabel Deutschland)

 

[marki]

Oh and three phone lines automatically installed with a Fritzbox ( Cable Modem)

 

[whatmeworry]

Despite shocking revelations that the ABC manipulated coverage on the NBN, still no coverage by the mainstream media or Labor about it.

The story has been met with a stony silence from both mainstream media and (almost all) our elected representatives. And yet, the revelations are undeniable – they’re caught on tape, albeit illicitly, and are reproduced in a full transcript, without edit, here.
The response from media is staggering. Save for a blog on the Daily Telegraph attacking New Matilda, no mainstream media outlet anywhere in the nation has reported one syllable of the revelations. Not even The Guardian.

Ross met with Belsham three times over his reporting – reporting, it’s worth noting, which Belsham repeatedly acknowledged was good. A feature on the second meeting between the two will be ready as soon as possible – while it requires significant fact-checking and legalling before it can be published, it proves irrefutably that Ross was gagged.
Speaking of gagged, there are almost 2,000 journalists employed at the ABC – it’s simply inconceivable that not one of them has considered Thursday’s revelations newsworthy. The ABC hasn’t even published a defence of the revelations, let alone explored the claims.
Suspicious minds might suggest a circular has gone around the national broadcaster from management directing staff not to report the story. Of course, that’s ridiculous – they’re never that overt. But what’s most concerning is that, apparently, a directive doesn’t need to be sent around by management. Staff at the ABC apparently seem to already understand that the story must not be reported.

https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/24/f...-the-abc-has-to-have-but-possibly-never-will/

 

[cove]

Our building is FTTN and 4 units have tried connecting with limited success. One lost the phone lines and 2 others speed has decreased.
No rush for us that's for sure.

 

[hedge]

I have FTTP and hit around 95mbps. I'm very happy with it. It beats having what we had before (max download speed was around 250kbps, i.e. 2megabit).

 

[jukebox333]

I can't comment on FTTN - like Hedge, my home lucked out and was FTTP. I ended up with a notional 100mbps (~95mbps actual) / 400GB month bundle that at $92 including a landline and calls for my monitored alarm, still comes in about $20/month less than what I paid for 200gb 20mbs ADSL bundle. Getting the connection was a nightmare - six afternoons off work to manage the different levels of incompetency and lack of communication between NBNCo and Telstra. But the end result was excellent.

 

[hedge]

I can't comment on FTTN - like Hedge, my home lucked out and was FTTP. I ended up with a notional 100mbps (~95mbps actual) / 400GB month bundle that at $92 including a landline and calls for my monitored alarm, still comes in about $20/month less than what I paid for 200gb 20mbs ADSL bundle. Getting the connection was a nightmare - six afternoons off work to manage the different levels of incompetency and lack of communication between NBNCo and Telstra. But the end result was excellent.

I also had some issues, with the original install being done incorrectly.

However, bar a few, small outages, I am pretty happy.

 

[moa999]

I've got FTTB (effectively FTTN in the basement) and could get 100/40 according to my modem but only pay for 25/5 which is more than suitable for me

With Belong (Telstra LCC Brand) in Sydney and pretty much always have full speeds - worst I have seen is 13down at 7pm but other nights get 24.5.

If anyone is looking to join Belong PM me.

 

[cove]

moa999 I will wait for some success stories in our Sydney building as we are here part time.