NBN Discussion

[moa999]

Customers complaining they would rather their ADSL connection back then have FTTN.

[video=youtube_share;amYlaYVrrMo]https://youtu.be/amYlaYVrrMo[/video]

If you read Whirlpool forums similar problems with FTTP.

NBN continually missing appointments after people have taken the day off,
And complaints about slow speeds at peak times

(Slow speeds at peak times is part of the NBN system -- amongst other charges the NBN charges providers $17.50/Mbps/mth from the POI -- thus if you were actually provided with a guaranteed 100Mb pipe it would be costing $1750/mth plus AVC and other bandwidth and connection costs. -- not quite deliverable on a $100-150/mth plan)

 

[penegal]

Backbone bandwidth was always going to be the issue, but it isn't sexy for votes, so it gets no bandwidth in the political news cycle (pun intended).

Plus there is a further problem with net bandwidth in/out of Australia problem which nobody is talking about. Some of this can be mitigated by increased local mirroring, but numerous forces (e.g antiquated content licencing) mean much of the best content is only available in other markets.

With our wonderful government meta-data privacy invasion policies, I can only see the use of "un-logged" VPNs increasing as more users realise their entire internet history probably isn't something they want publicly accessible.

 

[whatmeworry]

The coalitions new Deputy in 2005 recommended fibre to the home.

Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash acknowledged in 2005 that copper was fast becoming “redundant” in the delivery of internet services and recommended the Howard government investigate the cost of fibre to the home.




A paper, Future-Proofing Telecommunications in Non-Metropolitan Australia, was written by the Nationals leader and deputy leader when they were senators-elect with academic Troy Whitford for the National Party thinktank, the Page Research Centre.

Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash accepted in 2005 copper ‘redundant’ for internet | Australia news | The Guardian

 

[amaroo]

The coalitions new Deputy in 2005 recommended fibre to the home.



Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash accepted in 2005 copper ‘redundant’ for internet | Australia news | The Guardian

LOL, didn't the other mob promise a surplus every year they were in Gov....

 

[whatmeworry]

I think Fiona Nash said it best.

Nash said it even more forcefully in her first speech in the parliament.
“The Copper Age was 5,300 years ago, and that is where copper belongs,” she said in 2005. “We need to embrace optic fibre, wireless and satellite so that we have the right mix of infrastructure to take us into the future.”

 

[penegal]

Maybe we should all start buying stocks in copper Miners because Australia's demand for copper will continue for the foreseeable future...

 

[whatmeworry]

More analysis of how Malcolm Turnbull's MTM is behind and getting more expensive.

Remember that the only merit of Turnbull's "multi-technology mix" (MTM) was that it would be cheaper to build, and arrive sooner. There was no question that it was technically inferior to the former Labor government's mostly fibre-to-the-premise network, which then shadow communications minister Turnbull derided as a "Rolls-Royce" option.
But if the Coalition's NBN could be delivered cheaper and sooner, there was a good argument that the earlier arrival of revenue from business and residential customers could fund subsequent upgrades to the network.
It hasn't worked out that way.
The MTM network has blown out twice in projected cost - first, from $29.5 billion to $41 billion, and then last year to "up to" $56 billion. And instead of delivering 25 Mbps by 2016, now the MTM network isn't expected to be finished until 2020 - only a year earlier than Labor expected to finish its rollout. NBN's own chairman has admitted meeting this 2020 target will require a "heroic" effort.

What has gone wrong with the NBN? - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[whatmeworry]

Documents showing NBN trialling new FTTP which might be cheaper then the FTTN.

news The NBN company has been secretly trialling a new style of Fibre to the Premises infrastructure that would be dramatically cheaper and easier to deploy than its current model, a new set of leaked documents has revealed, in a move that appears to strengthen the case for a return to an all-fibre infrastructure.
This morning the Opposition distributed a set of documents which appear to have been produced by the NBN company in August last year, entitled CTO Briefing: Multi-Technology Local Fibre Network. You can download the documents in PDF format here.
The news of this story was first broken by the Sydney Morning Herald.

https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/03/new-nbn-leak-reveals-secret-plans-much-cheaper-fttp/

The opposition's shadow communications minister, Jason Clare, said the trials "showed that Malcolm Turnbull has been lying for months about how much it costs to connect to Labor's superior fibre NBN"
"It proves the only reason that Malcolm Turnbull is not connecting millions more Australians to the real NBN is politics," he said.
But the government rejected that outright. Minister for Communications Mitch Fifield said: "It's outrageous for Labor to suggest the NBN has been misrepresenting the cost of fibre to the premises.

NBN trials cheaper all-fibre option

 

[exceladdict]

Jumping on this thread lategame - and admit to not reading the previous 90 pages - but my building is now undergoing an FTTB install so keen to start following.

Given the copper run will only be between 20 and 50 metres, it'll be interesting to see whether the VDSL speeds are actually close to the theoretical maximum. Should I be getting my hopes up?

 

[moa999]

Jumping on this thread lategame - and admit to not reading the previous 90 pages - but my building is now undergoing an FTTB install so keen to start following.

Given the copper run will only be between 20 and 50 metres, it'll be interesting to see whether the VDSL speeds are actually close to the theoretical maximum. Should I be getting my hopes up?

You should definitely expect to get 100/40 if you subscribe to the max plan.

With future technology upgrades that copper length can reach into Gbps
Http://company.nokia.com/en/news/pr...r-network-speeds-and-meet-future-data-demands

Some people have been getting 100/40 as much as 500m away in FTTN

 

[exceladdict]

You should definitely expect to get 100/40 if you subscribe to the max plan.

With future technology upgrades that copper length can reach into Gbps
Http://company.nokia.com/en/news/pr...r-network-speeds-and-meet-future-data-demands

Some people have been getting 100/40 as much as 500m away in FTTN

That's great to hear.

 

[scaredeycat]

Here in Hobart we were connected to the NBN just prior to the election. Download speed virtually always 100 Mb/s - fantastic.
As many of you may be aware, the Basslink cable between Tasmania and the mainland failed a few weeks ago and last Friday the associated internet connection had to be cut. As a result, 40% of the island now has severely degraded services and we are down to ~ 3% of our previous speed. In addition it appears that our ISP seems to be selectively throttling certain services (such as YouTube, which is now unwatchable).
Back to the dark ages - not happy!

 

[Buzzard]

At least you had a glimpse of the future, I'm stuck in the dark ages

 

[TheRealTMA]

At least you had a glimpse of the future, I'm stuck in the dark ages

Unfortunately with the current government we are all stuck in the dark ages. Hilarious that one of the issues in Tony Windsor vs Barnaby is NBN access for New England.

 

[penegal]

scaredeycat - your experience highlights the importance to the network, (and security importance), of backbone infrastructure.

Of course nobody talks about that as it doesn't win votes.

Hopefully speeds are restored soon.

 

[drron]

Unfortunately with the current government we are all stuck in the dark ages. Hilarious that one of the issues in Tony Windsor vs Barnaby is NBN access for New England.

Though the major population centres in the New England electorate are already on the NBN map.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Though the major population centres in the New England electorate are already on the NBN map.

Ah, Yes thanks to Tony Windsor and minority government. "What have the National Party ever done for us." Far worse than the Romans.

 

[whatmeworry]

Here in Hobart we were connected to the NBN just prior to the election. Download speed virtually always 100 Mb/s - fantastic.
As many of you may be aware, the Basslink cable between Tasmania and the mainland failed a few weeks ago and last Friday the associated internet connection had to be cut. As a result, 40% of the island now has severely degraded services and we are down to ~ 3% of our previous speed. In addition it appears that our ISP seems to be selectively throttling certain services (such as YouTube, which is now unwatchable).
Back to the dark ages - not happy!

So now you got my speed?

But seriously, maybe a second connection to the mainland and maybe another to NZ?

 

[Happy Trails]

I had to leave Perth for rural Thailand to get decent internet speed.

 

[moa999]

Though the major population centres in the New England electorate are already on the NBN map.

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AS it seems with a combination of FTTP and Fixed Wireless.
Wonder if there will be a bit of pressure to get the LTSS beam activated in New England !