NBN Discussion

[RAM]

42 meg/sec. Which is slightly better than I expected from what I knew of the line length.

Being a pedant. May I suggest you keep a daily log of the speeds...

It sounds as if you already have a program for displaying the details - if not I can suggest one.

 

[straitman]

Our availability latest date has come and gone and we still get:

The nbn™ network is available in your area.

Additional work is still required in order to make your address ready to connect to the nbn™ network.

 

[whatmeworry]

42 meg/sec. Which is slightly better than I expected from what I knew of the line length.

Just wait till it gets congested.

 

[jb747]

I know about the congestion, and I've had plenty of time to research what is, after all, a grand screw up. But, even when congested, your line synch speed shouldn't change. So, you'll have synch results from the modem, as well as results from the various speed tests, which are the ones that will be affected.

 

[jb747]

Our availability latest date has come and gone and we still get:

The nbn™ network is available in your area.

Additional work is still required in order to make your address ready to connect to the nbn™ network.

Sadly the 'additional work' bit wasn't added when they declared our area. They subsequently decided it was. The problem was that we ordered in the gap, and that is what ended up putting us into limbo.

To this day though, we don't know, nor has anyone been able to tell us, just what the additional work was. There are no micro nodes. No new cabling was done. And the node nor pillar never attracted any workers.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Sadly the 'additional work' bit wasn't added when they declared our area. They subsequently decided it was. The problem was that we ordered in the gap, and that is what ended up putting us into limbo.

To this day though, we don't know, nor has anyone been able to tell us, just what the additional work was. There are no micro nodes. No new cabling was done. And the node nor pillar never attracted any workers.

Probably required a ticked box and a new work order. Thes things take time, especially with the NBN it seems.

 

[Quickstatus]

Well, after 2 months and 3 days with no phone or internet, the NBN has at last been connected. I'm not sure who did the pushing, but I contacted TIO, local member, Ministers, council, and attended a Parliamentary Inquiry. Thanks to whoever it was....

Whats your copper length? (Assuming you are FTTN
what do you plan to do with all that speed?

 

[straitman]

Sadly the 'additional work' bit wasn't added when they declared our area. They subsequently decided it was. The problem was that we ordered in the gap, and that is what ended up putting us into limbo.

To this day though, we don't know, nor has anyone been able to tell us, just what the additional work was. There are no micro nodes. No new cabling was done. And the node nor pillar never attracted any workers.

There is now no obvious work in our area any more so not sure where it goes from here.

 

[RAM]

Whats your copper length? (Assuming you are FTTN
what do you plan to do with all that speed?

I hope (not implying anything about AFFers) that we don't follow the Philippines.

News article quoted global child coughography and snuff movie makers moved to the Philippines after their internet speeds were boosted.

PLDT Home Fibr runs on fiber-optic technology, the world's fastest medium for broadband. The speed can reach up to 200 MBps at PHP 20,000.00.

Phillipines police recently caught an American 'producer' responsible for 5 child cough torture following capture of Australian man (after one child victim escaped while digging own grave before session) so far attributed with 4 including 18 month toddler. Was live streaming around the world to over 1,000 high paying customers.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/philipp...can-lee-david-colglazier-20170515-gw5170.html

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a...s/news-story/f15a28a8b971d95f815b5f6105814ff9

Perhaps the regulatory authorities in all countries should regularly get a list of all users of extremely high bandwidth for vetting.

So much money poured into high speed internet and seemingly so little over-sight other than the NSA!

 

[jb747]

Whats your copper length? (Assuming you are FTTN what do you plan to do with all that speed?

About 740 metres.

 

[Quickstatus]

While I'm sure a few will need internet speeds of 100Mbps or more - these tend to be businesses/corporations
The vast majority of us will not need such bandwidth
Videoconferencing at 1080 30fps will be about 5Mbps? Am I right?
Sure if there are 5 people in a household all videoconferencing at the same time at least a stable 25Mbps will be needed.
Many seem to demand more speed but I'll bet they are not needing anymore than what they are getting with current NBN (with maybe the exception of the Satellite users)

I do get the "build it once build it right" argument. And the upside is that there is enough overhead for the foreseeable future. Who knows what will happen in 10 years time.

 

[whatmeworry]

Bit of a rain into the pits and their goes your copper end connection.

 

[jb747]

A Netflix 4k stream will take most of my available bandwidth...so at least there will be something left for the other half.

I would have bought 100/100 if I could have. The upload side would allow me to properly use my cloud based storage for my photos. It took me almost a year to get them uploaded at the various hotels around the world, and I haven't had the bandwidth to update them since.

ADSL1 was nice when it first appeared, but it's like smoke signals now. 25 meg/sec NBN is barely better than ADSL2. If that's all we (!) need, then the entire NBN shouldn't have been built at all. Originally it catered for growth, but now it barely caters for what we do now, much less what we'll do in a couple of years.

 

[PLANT]

YouTube upload for the innovation nation.....
Oh and telephone conference while 3 other people use for 4k TV, you tube 4k viewing, game(it's the next big industry ((Chinese))

 

[DeKa]

There are some ISPs seeking to manage this congestion issue at the CVC.
John from Telecube seems to be getting good feedback, and pricing is good:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2617030

 

[TheRealTMA]

While I'm sure a few will need internet speeds of 100Mbps or more - these tend to be businesses/corporations
The vast majority of us will not need such bandwidth
Videoconferencing at 1080 30fps will be about 5Mbps? Am I right?
Sure if there are 5 people in a household all videoconferencing at the same time at least a stable 25Mbps will be needed.
Many seem to demand more speed but I'll bet they are not needing anymore than what they are getting with current NBN (with maybe the exception of the Satellite users)

I do get the "build it once build it right" argument. And the upside is that there is enough overhead for the foreseeable future. Who knows what will happen in 10 years time.

No, not at all. FTTH is the only proper solution. 100Mbs should be the minimum standard that can be simply upgraded by network changes to faster as demand increases rather than dig it all up again and then put in FTTH. Australia is being sadly left behind in this political farce by the liberals. Now that they've manage to bury the "debt is evil, national emergency, the sky is falling" mantra, maybe we can move on to providing Australians with a proper internationally competitive NBN.

Simple stuff such as cloud storage is useless on Australian broadband.

 

[moa999]

A Netflix 4k stream will take most of my available bandwidth...so at least there will be something left for the other half.

Should be under 25Mbps, so only 60% of your network
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306
(It's pretty difficult to tell the difference from HD on my opinion unless you have a 100"screen)

I would have bought 100/100 if I could have

It's only time which I care less about for uploads.
Issues is you're in a minority - very few (under 10%) are signing up for 100/40.
Personally I'm on 25/5 despite having the capability to go higher. Works perfectly for all the streaming I do and I'd prefer to use the $30 savings for other things.

Originally it catered for growth, but now it barely caters for what we do now, much less what we'll do in a couple of years.

Agree FTTN on lines like yours is a waste of money, barely improving ADSL2 speeds (although a significant bump for ADSL1) and without upgrade options.

But the other MTM solutions - HFC via Docsis3.1 and FTTB/FTTC/short-line FTTN via g.fast and xg.fast all have the potential to deliver gigabit speeds -- and were certainly quicker and cheaper to rollout than full fibre

 

[ajw373]

While I'm sure a few will need internet speeds of 100Mbps or more - these tend to be businesses/corporations
The vast majority of us will not need such bandwidth
Videoconferencing at 1080 30fps will be about 5Mbps? Am I right?
Sure if there are 5 people in a household all videoconferencing at the same time at least a stable 25Mbps will be needed.
Many seem to demand more speed but I'll bet they are not needing anymore than what they are getting with current NBN (with maybe the exception of the Satellite users)

I do get the "build it once build it right" argument. And the upside is that there is enough overhead for the foreseeable future. Who knows what will happen in 10 years time.

NBN was never about internet speed as such, but more of an infrastructure project to replace the decaying copper with something that can take us into the future. Copper is essentially at end of development. Sure some companies are working on tweaks to existing technologies but for the most part fibre is the future. And as someone mention 100mb/s is essentially the starting point with fibre.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

NBN was never about internet speed as such, but more of an infrastructure project to replace the decaying copper with something that can take us into the future. Copper is essentially at end of development. Sure some companies are working on tweaks to existing technologies but for the most part fibre is the future. And as someone mention 100mb/s is essentially the starting point with fibre.

Actually that's incorrect. The NBN was about delivering a minimum standard of internet to all Australians regardless of their location as the private sector had failed to do so.

 

[travelislife]

And Telstra did all in its power (as is their right!) to hobble and get income from it. It was a massive win for them the change to using copper for the final connection.