NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

Discovered the fair use policy (FUP) from nbnco

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam...roduct-catalogue-fair-use-policy_20160407.pdf

Section 2.2 describes the FUP for the Fixed Wireless (FW) NBN service. 200GB down and 60GB up per month

I read elsewhere that NBN FW tower you are connected to services about 1-300 connections and may backhaul to another FW Tower via a 300Mbps backhaul microwave link and so on until the FW tower with a gigabit fibre backhaul
Add the FUP to this and the whole scenario suggests severe contention (congestion) on FW.

Im not aware of nbnco policing or enforcing their FUP.

This supports various other forums reporting anecdotals about early adopters of FW getting good speeds but after a few months as their neighbours connect the speed plummets during the off peak.

As my FW is slated for H2 2019 I hoping NBNCo will learn from previous FW iterations and I will get an improved FW tower with better backhaul and maybe 100/40 via a V3 antenna and an upgraded WNTD


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For those on FTTx, Multicast is coming to you.
Streaming video can be injected closer to the customer..

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/multicast-feature-fact-sheet.pdf

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Here is the current roadmap for nbnco

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/Integrated-Product-Roadmap.pdf

 

[drsmithy]

For those on FTTx, Multicast is coming to you.
Streaming video can be injected closer to the customer..

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/multicast-feature-fact-sheet.pdf

I suspect the benefits from Multicast will decrease quickly as Netflix and other VOD services become increasingly dominant.

That said they'll be able to start putting Netflix (at al) CDNs at their connection for a similar, if less beneficial, result.

 

[rogerkambah]

Of course, B2B, (bit of brain fade for me early in the morning), but that means that wherever you are and at all times your phone needs to be on for you to call the gate to open. I turn my phone off at night after getting a couple of calls from an insistent drunk dialling a wrong number.

If there is a fire in house and B2B alarm activated, B2B calls me on my Mobile phone. I tell them to call 000.

I then ring the gate's GSM unit's 04xx xx_ xx_ mobile number . It recognises my mobile number as one of a preprogrammed accredited numbers. The GSM unit opens gate. I call it again in 7 seconds to stop auto close.

Otherwise the Firies secret code is " Brace for impact"

 

[Quickstatus]

Of course, B2B, (bit of brain fade for me early in the morning), but that means that wherever you are and at all times your phone needs to be on for you to call the gate to open. I turn my phone off at night after getting a couple of calls from an insistent drunk dialling a wrong number.

Yes thats correct. I dont ever turn my phone off but can imagine being offline for certain periods - airplane mode etc. Though I can organise B2B to ring a relative who can trigger the gate with his mobile phone as a backup. Or B2B can do it too. If I can figure out a way to get the fire alarm to trigger the electric gate and keep it open...
Needs auto 2 rings 7 seconds apart.

 

[whatmeworry]

Another 50 suburbs being upgraded from FTTN to FTTC.

In NSW, the new areas added to the FTTC rollout are: Burwood, Edensor Park, Silverwater, Hornsby, Kensington, Liverpool, Frenchs Forest, Ryde, South Sydney (which appears to be an amalgam of pockets of Redfern, Chippendale and Surry Hills), Howlong, Portland, Lake Cathie, Woolgoolga, Uralla, Walgett, Walcha, Moruya and Greenwell Point.
In Queensland, Albion, Aspley, Bundamba, Charlotte, Rothwell, Salisbury, Ashmore and Inglewood are all new to the FTTC rollout.
There also big changes in Victoria, where Broadmeadows, Jacana, Meadow Heights, Greenvale, Coolaroo, Junction Ridge, Botanic Ridge, Deer Park, Ferntree Gully, Dandenong, Mulgrave, Laverton, Wyndham Vale, Beaufort, Stawell, Euroa, Nagambie, Koroit and Sebastopol are new to the FTTC footprint.
In Western Australia, the new additions are Bayswater, Bedford, Embleton and Inglewood. Meanwhile in South Australia, Croydon is the single new addition.

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-adds-50-new-suburbs-to-fttc-rollout-465313

 

[Quickstatus]

Yes looking at the NBN technology roadmap, current NBN iterations are not the end but just the beginning of gradual updates. The model of PAYG makes sense on one level - initial capitalisation then using the revenue from V1 to fund further capital works.

In a way the latecomers to NBN will benefit from NBN/RSP LAYG (learn as you go) as hopefully this will improve provisioning of bandwidth/ and overall service.

FTTC will be a gamechanger though most currently won't need because there is no application for such speeds. What people really want is good internet speeds up/down at peak periods.
FTTN is really an uncontended service with the 1-10Gbps backhaul from the node as the copper to pillar and node is not shared and Fibre has so much overhead. The problem as many here have alluded to is the financing model and the dreaded CVC.
In the end the unrecognised fact is that the price point at which internet bandwidth can be maintained throughout all periods of the day is at a level where most would not / can't pay for it.

 

[Quickstatus]

The ACCC is looking for volunteers to monitor broadband speed
https://consultation.accc.gov.au/re...ce-and-monitoring-program/consultation/intro/

 

[JessicaTam]

NBN is rolling out in my area. I got a call from my ISP asking if I would like to switch over.

I made it clear that I had friends* with horror stories, and I would wait a month or two before doing anything.

She didn't put up a fight at all, just said "Oh, ok" and rang off. I guess she knew a lost cause when she heard one.

It didn't help that I chatted to a tech earlier today who had been sent from Geelong^ to "fix things" near where I live. :shock:

*Thinking of you, jb.
^I don't live anywhere near Geelong

 

[Quickstatus]

NBN is rolling out in my area. I got a call from my ISP asking if I would like to switch over.

I made it clear that I had friends* with horror stories, and I would wait a month or two before doing anything.

She didn't put up a fight at all, just said "Oh, ok" and rang off. I guess she knew a lost cause when she heard one.

It didn't help that I chatted to a tech earlier today who had been sent from Geelong^ to "fix things" near where I live. :shock:

*Thinking of you, jb.
^I don't live anywhere near Geelong

A month or two may not be enough..... Early adopters typically see good speeds which then degrade as others sign on. Unless your internet is very bad, I would wait until you are forced to. But definitely dont do any 24 month plan - go casual month to month, that way its easier to change RSP (ISP)

 

[moa999]

NBN is rolling out in my area. I got a call from my ISP asking if I would like to switch over]

What sort of NBN and what are your current speeds?

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

looks like NBN services will get a bit more expensive with the $7.10 per month levy to help subsidise FW and Sat connections.

Removing the USO may help to cut a few % off the increase, but for a lot of customers they'll be looking at a 10% jump in their month costs, along with the rapacious cost increase for gas and electricity.

the govt can kiss good bye to their forecasts on Household consumption growth.

 

[cove]

Our NBN phone in Sydney says it is disconnected if I call it but you can make outgoing calls. This is the second time in a year that we have had weird stuff. If you can avoid NBN I wouldn't think that would be a bad idea.
Frankly I think NBN is a wank.

 

[JessicaTam]

A month or two may not be enough..... Early adopters typically see good speeds which then degrade as others sign on. Unless your internet is very bad, I would wait until you are forced to. But definitely dont do any 24 month plan - go casual month to month, that way its easier to change RSP (ISP)

Thanks, I am in no rush as ...

What sort of NBN and what are your current speeds?

... I currently get about 12-15 Mbps. It is FTTN.

 

[Quickstatus]

Thanks, I am in no rush as ...


... I currently get about 12-15 Mbps. It is FTTN.

Many on FTTN and FW are not even getting that!

 

[JessicaTam]

Many on FTTN and FW are not even getting that!

Considering that when I lived in the outer suburbs of Melbourne I was lucky to get 4Mbps, I am quite content.

I can stream the F1, so what more do I need?

 

[PLANT]

^ vr f1

 

[cove]

Stay with what you have JT.

 

[whatmeworry]

Analysis showing richer suburbs getting superior fibre to the home while poorer areas stuck on copper, HFC and Satellite.

Australia’s most affluent suburbs are more often gaining access to superior fibre technology under the National Broadband Network (NBN) rollout than areas of socio-economic disadvantage, according to new analysis.
Researchers at the NHMRC Centre for Research Excellence in the Social Determinants of Health Equity have found a “definite trend”: the poorer the socio-economic conditions, the less frequently homes and businesses are receiving fibre technology.
Instead, poorer areas are much more likely to have what many experts have termed “inferior” technologies, including wireless, HFC or satellite.

NBN rolling out inferior technology to poorer areas

 

[moa999]

Sort of self-evident
Country areas are generally poorer (and far lower density thus more expensive to serve) - thus getting Sat and FW.

Conversely though, almost all the rich areas in Syd/Mel are getting HFC as that's where Telstra rolled out it's cable network first

 

[moa999]

Thanks, I am in no rush as .... I currently get about 12-15 Mbps. It is FTTN.

Have you tried the Optus SQ tool a few pages back.

If you are closeish to the node and your copper is in ok condition (IE you dont have crackles on your current line or dropouts) I'd look at NBN if you want more speed.