NBN Discussion

[Quickstatus]

Have you tried the Optus SQ tool a few pages back.

If you are closeish to the node and your copper is in ok condition (IE you dont have crackles on your current line or dropouts) I'd look at NBN if you want more speed.

Or google NBN MTM Alpha and zoom into your premises represented by a coloured dot and it will give you an estimate distance from house to pillar to node

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My copper is dying. ADSL probs. usually 4 Mbps down. Got 0.1 last 7 days. Telstra tech said Cu in bad condition. He has dropped me to a spare line. He said swooped from the hybrid to private loop whatever that means. Now speed is 5. Pravtically NBN like speed. Maybe literally after hearing from friends who have NBN especially FW and FTTN

 

[TheRealTMA]

On Telstra cable, non NBN I get 112/2.5. Why would one bother with NBN?

 

[moa999]

On Telstra cable, non NBN I get 112/2.5. Why would one bother with NBN?

Upload speed - 100/40.
Useful if you use cloud backups and the like

Choice of provider (IE getting away from Telstra)

But yes, you gain the least from NBN
(At least until docsis 3.1 is implemented)

 

[Quickstatus]

You wouldn't except you will be forced to 18 months from when NBN becomes live in your street.

NBN will then own the HFC (cable) between your premises and your POI (point of interconnect), and Telstra (or another RSP) will lease a connection and bandwidth from the NBN between the POI and you.

NBN only owns the infrastructure from POI to your premises. From POI to the World Wide Web is all the backhaul infrastructure owned by big telcos like Telstra, Optus and now some smaller ones are building their own backhauls.

It is entirely possible that your speed could change. Yes you would gain the least from NBN. Slower is possible because of the CVC throttle. Additionally instead of battling with one company re problems you will be in the middle of a ping pong game of whose problem it is between say Telstra and the NBN


So yes don't worry now if you like but don't be surprised if it becomes worse than what you are getting.:shock:

 

[ajw373]

Our NBN phone in Sydney says it is disconnected if I call it but you can make outgoing calls. This is the second time in a year that we have had weird stuff. If you can avoid NBN I wouldn't think that would be a bad idea.
Frankly I think NBN is a wank.

Not much way to avoid it, because old services get turned off about 18 months after NBN becomes active so once that happens a service via NBN is the ONLY way to go.

Out of interest what form of NBN you have, FTTH, HFC, FTTN. Is the phone service one that plugs into NBN's gear (think only fibre), one that goes into a service providers gear, or a pure IP phone that just connects via Ethernet. Also is your phone provider the same as your internet provider?

 

[Quickstatus]

Out of interest what form of NBN you have, FTTH, HFC, FTTN. Is the phone service one that plugs into NBN's gear (think only fibre), one that goes into a service providers gear, or a pure IP phone that just connects via Ethernet. Also is your phone provider the same as your internet provider?

OK irrespective of the technology (FTTH,FTTC,FTTN,HFC,FW, Sat) the RSP (telstra, optus etc) will send you a piece of equipment. And that piece of equipment is technology agnostic. It does not matter what NBN technology you get - you get the same piece of kit from the RSP to connect to the internet

Example using Telstra: you get a "Gateway" or "Gateway Max". The only difference is that Gateway max has more ethernet ports, but essentially it is a modem/router/wireless access point/firewall.

FTTH/FW: you connect the NTD to the Gateway WAN port with an ethernet cable. The internet then comes to you as wifi or LAN ethernet ports on the Gateway. You plug in a normal analog (non ip) phone into the phone port of the Gateway.

FTTC/FTTN: you connect the phone socket to the Gateway vdsl socket with a normal phone cable - just like a normal ADSL modem. Then connect as above

HFC: you get a HFC modem (from NBN) that converts HFC signals from the NTD into ethernet signal and you connect the HFC modem to Gateway WAN port using ethernet cable just like FTTH

You could connect your computer directly to the NTD if you have FTTH/FW and the the HFC modem but them you cannot connect your normal phone and more importantly you do not have a firewall protecting your computer from malicious attacks.

NTD=network terminating device which is owned by NBN in your house. Anything you connect to NTD belongs to you. NTD to outside is NBN property. If you have ADSL/FTTN the NTD is the 1st phone socket in your house.

 

[moa999]

You don't have to use the RSP equipment though (and some of the smaller ones don't provide)
But for the bigger ones it's all they support (and for Telstra, Optus and TPG you need to use it in some form for any included telephony)

On my FTTB connection, my Belong supplied modem sits in a cupboard.

I've got an Asus DSL-AC56U as modem/router with Belong plugged into a Cisco 504G deskphone and a Cisco SPA112 for my analogue cordless, and use SipTalk as my VOIP provider.

 

[Quickstatus]

The ASUS vDSL modem/routers run PPTP WAN protocols which are very amenable to VPN using say OpenVPN. The semi proprietary PPPoE used by Telstra Gateway is not.

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Who is your RSP Moa999?

 

[ajw373]

OK irrespective of the technology (FTTH,FTTC,FTTN,HFC,FW, Sat) the RSP (telstra, optus etc) will send you a piece of equipment. And that piece of equipment is technology agnostic. It does not matter what NBN technology you get - you get the same piece of kit from the RSP to connect to the internet

Example using Telstra: you get a "Gateway" or "Gateway Max". The only difference is that Gateway max has more ethernet ports, but essentially it is a modem/router/wireless access point/firewall.

FTTH/FW: you connect the NTD to the Gateway WAN port with an ethernet cable. The internet then comes to you as wifi or LAN ethernet ports on the Gateway. You plug in a normal analog (non ip) phone into the phone port of the Gateway.

FTTC/FTTN: you connect the phone socket to the Gateway vdsl socket with a normal phone cable - just like a normal ADSL modem. Then connect as above

HFC: you get a HFC modem (from NBN) that converts HFC signals from the NTD into ethernet signal and you connect the HFC modem to Gateway WAN port using ethernet cable just like FTTH

You could connect your computer directly to the NTD if you have FTTH/FW and the the HFC modem but them you cannot connect your normal phone and more importantly you do not have a firewall protecting your computer from malicious attacks.

NTD=network terminating device which is owned by NBN in your house. Anything you connect to NTD belongs to you. NTD to outside is NBN property. If you have ADSL/FTTN the NTD is the 1st phone socket in your house.

Massive over generalisation. My case I have FTTP with Skymesh. I have no Skymesh gear what so ever. My home network is UniFi which plugs into one of the 4 ports on the (external) NBN NTD. My mynetphone IP phone plugs into the UniFi gear. I could have went another voice provider where I could have connected their provided terminal adaptor to my SkyMesh internet or I could have went the path of a seperate analogue service directly off the NTD or even a seperate IP service for voice.

Now being a communications tech for 26 years I think I might have half an idea about how it all works. Though with fraudband the waters have been muddied a lot more than they needed to have been hence my questions as there are now so many ways to skin the cat with NBN.

 

[ajw373]

On Telstra cable, non NBN I get 112/2.5. Why would one bother with NBN?

Because you don't have a say in it. Government policy.

That said as others mention the advantages are you can choose your own provider for both internet and home phone if you still have one of them.

 

[jb747]

Just cancelled the VOIP. Managed to convince my mother to use the mobile, so no need for it now. More calls were from India than from anyone we actually wanted to talk to anyway...

 

[Quickstatus]

Massive over generalisation. My case I have FTTP with Skymesh. I have no Skymesh gear what so ever. My home network is UniFi which plugs into one of the 4 ports on the NBN NTD. My mynetphone IP phone plugs into the UniFi gear. I could have went another voice provider where I could have connected their provided terminal adaptor to my SkyMesh internet or I could have went the patch of a seperate analogue service directly off the NTD or even a seperate IP service for voice.

Now being a communications tech for 26 years I think I might have half an idea about how it all works. Though with fraudband the waters have been muddied a lot more than they needed to have been hence my questions as there are now so many ways to skin the cat with NBN.

Hey I don't appreciate the tone!. Im just providing a general answer and does not assume whether you are an expert or novice - so what?. This forum is about people sharing information . Some are experts like yourself but most are just normal people trying to negotiate the issue. Most people will just have the RSP supplied equipment but I'm glad you got your own setup. But just because you have your own setup and are an expert on the matter does not mean any other views are a massive generalisation and a slight on your knowledge on the matter

Thank you for sharing what your setup. Very interesting and a valuable addition to the discussion!.
You are one of the lucky ones with FTTP!.

I am going down the Asus vdsl modem route which has the ability to setup a VPN via Open VPN protocols but I am supposed to be FW in 2019 and I suspect my tower will have a microwave backhaul down a chain of towers to an ultimate tower with fibre backhaul. Several towers to one. There will be massive contention unfortunately. No amount of CVC provisioning will fix this especially when the microwave backhaul is 300Mbps. Imagine a tower backhauling in series to 2 others at 300Mbps before hitting a tower with gigabit fibre.

 

[ajw373]

Hey I don't appreciate the tone!. Im just providing a general answer - so what? This forum is about people sharing information . Some are experts like yourself but most are just normal people trying to negotiate the issue. Most people will just have the RSP supplied equipment but I'm glad you got your own setup. But just because you have your own setup and are an expert on the matter does not mean any other views are a massive generalisation and a slight on your knowledge on the matter

Thank you for sharing what your setup. Very interesting and a valuable addition to the discussion!.
You are one of the lucky ones with FTTP!.

Apologies for the tone it was not my intention to offend, however there is far too much misinformation around NBN hence my last line where mentioned it is where NBN has lost the plot with fraudband. Way too many variations now days and as someone in the game I struggle to see how the everyday person can keep up. Might be a business opportunity there!

Most people that I know that are on fibre have their own gear unless they are with big companies like Telstra who like people to have their gear so they can restrict them somewhat. Must admit mine is probably at the extremity being in the game. I have 2 access points, guest accounts, 50 hard wired outlets in the house (just in case because hard wired is still the absolute best way to connect something if it has a physical port) plus switch and firewall. But none the less not uncommon either to not use the providers gear.

 

[moa999]

Who is your RSP Moa999?

Mentioned twice in my post - Belong (or Telstra's LCC)

VOIP is with SipTalk using one the Whirlpool plan - my total monthly bill is under $2 for a few calls. Mostly keep the indials for family, and also like to have a desk phone for some calls where I'm likely to be on hold for a while.

Picked up the deskphone, a Cisco 504G on eBay for under $40

 

[Quickstatus]

Your setup is pretty high end!.

My ADSL is only 5 down so the bottleneck is ADSL. Have told a friend who wanted an AC5300 wifi modem in an attempt to speed up his internet speed of 2.5 that its futile. He too will be on FW in 2019 with NBN giving him an extra kick in the guts when houses in the next street is FTTC.

NBN is much more useful when upload speeds are fast. Cloud computing is here but depends on proper upload speed.

 

[Quickstatus]

Just cancelled the VOIP. Managed to convince my mother to use the mobile, so no need for it now. More calls were from India than from anyone we actually wanted to talk to anyway...

i have always wondered about the idea that landlines are important for 000 as the caller ID pinpoints your premises.
But mobile is better for 000 overall.
We had a fire in the kitchen a few years back. Could not use the landline as it was too close to fire so called 000 via mobile.

 

[Quickstatus]

Ajw373

What's the model number for the Uni solution that you have. Will look it up for my FW

Thanks in advance.

 

[PLANT]

Aw373 if you have a TESLA battery and recharge port......I want to buy your house !!!!!
How about a ubiuti gear install post please

 

[Quickstatus]

Jindabyne friend tells me:
ADSL: 3/0.5
FTTN with Telstra speed boost 50/20: 48/6

I told him not to expect too much and it will probably get worse as his CSA (connectivity service area) is the largest in Jindabyne. Still early days - Wait for more people to sign on and the contention will go up.

 

[jb747]

How about a ubiuti gear install post please

I've just started an install of their gear too. Experimenting with a HD AC last week...it's just as stymied by my Faraday cage of a house as the consumer gear.

I think the end result will be:

US-24-250W switch * 1
US-8-150W switch *2
HD access point *1
Pro access point *4

Possibly a USG as well.