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[Must...Fly!]

You shouldn't believe the propaganda of the WA government. There is the biggest load of BS. Try talking to someone from NSW. The truth is that GST grants to the states have always been weighted to the advantage of QLD, WA and NT so that these "states" get more than the amount of GST collected in the state. and that NSW and VIC have have been getting less than the amount of GST collected in their states. Any reduction in GST payments to WA is only to bring it back towards the amount that the state pays. Sorry WA is not being ripped off.

I suggest you stop believing whatever propaganda YOU are being fed medhead!!!

Numbers don't lie, look 'em up!

 

[straitman]

I suggest you stop believing whatever propaganda YOU are being fed medhead!!!

Numbers don't lie, look 'em up!

Must...Fly!,

You could always post them for those of us who are not bothered to look them up :!:

Remember that numbers can be made to lie in many directions. :shock:

 

[Must...Fly!]

Must...Fly!,

You could always post them for those of us who are not bothered to look them up :!:

Remember that numbers can be made to lie in many directions. :shock:

Should have done that originally, I apoligise!



Taken from http://www.cgc.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0007/18349/2010_Review_final_report_vol_1.pdf (PDF Pg 12)

 

[cove]

I really think that State taxes should go to the source as they are raised.
What I am trying to say is WA should get 100% of the money raised off this consumption tax as it was meant to be when it was proposed. No more and no less.

 

[medhead]

Should have done that originally, I apoligise!

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Taken from http://www.cgc.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0007/18349/2010_Review_final_report_vol_1.pdf (PDF Pg 12)

Talk about selective data. How about the GST relativities going back a number of years? See Table A.8 here http://www.ato.gov.au/budget/2009-10/content/bp3/download/bp3_appendix_a.pdf

I didn't see WA whinging when they were getting more than 100% of their GST. The fact is that the funding formula was agreed up front and WA signed up for it. The other fact is that from 2008 onwards the GST relevitites only apply to GST whereas before they also applied to some Health payments. You can see from the 09-10 budget papers that this change leads to a substanial drop in the GST relativity for WA for 08-09, which is recalculated to take into account the fact that the health payments are now not made according to the GST formula. Why is WA not taking the extra health payments? Sounds like they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Also, Why did WA sign up to the new intergovernmental agreement that put this arrangement in place, if they weren't happy?

I really think that State taxes should go to the source as they are raised.
What I am trying to say is WA should get 100% of the money raised off this consumption tax as it was meant to be when it was proposed. No more and no less.

The commonwealth grants commission was established in 1933. The methods used to split the GST are well known and would have been agree way back in 1999 with the establishment of the GST legislation. The GST is also split according to the fiscal capacity of the state, which is how it was meant to be split up. WA signed up to the GST, it is a bit rich to whinge now. I didn't see them offerring to pay the greater than 100% GST money back to NSW and Victoria.

Or why doesn't WA shut down it's mining boom, then they will get a bigger share of the GST.

 

[oz_mark]

Or why doesn't WA shut down it's mining boom, then they will get a bigger share of the GST.

Why doesn't NSW become productive and stop being a leech off other states?

 

[medhead]

Why doesn't NSW become productive and stop being a leech off other states?

lol.
Very funny. I have no idea how nsw is leeching, given that they have always got less from gst than the so called fair share. But still a funny comment.

 

[anat0l]

Perhaps another reason for WA to secede?

 

[medhead]

Perhaps another reason for WA to secede?

Yeah. Good idea because WA has a fully formed economy that isn't overweight in any one sector.

This talk of succession reminds me of growing up in cairns and the annual debate about NQ becoming a separate state. That always fell over when they couldn't decide on the capital between Townsville and cairns. lol

 

[Siegfried]

Yeah. Good idea because WA has a fully formed economy that isn't overweight in any one sector.

This talk of succession reminds me of growing up in cairns and the annual debate about NQ becoming a separate state. That always fell over when they couldn't decide on the capital between Townsville and cairns. lol

Well, they could always emulate southern QLD, and put the capital in the south - perhaps Rockhampton. Or better yet, Mt Morgan

 

[anat0l]

Yeah. Good idea because WA has a fully formed economy that isn't overweight in any one sector.

Wouldn't be the first country in the world (that's not complete failure or dependent state) with that kind of economic profile.

 

[anat0l]

Well, they could always emulate southern QLD, and put the capital in the south - perhaps Rockhampton. Or better yet, Mt Morgan

What's halfway between Cairns and Townsville?

After that's been found out, go get some American architect guy to build a city there. :mrgreen:

 

[medhead]

What's halfway between Cairns and Townsville?

After that's been found out, go get some American architect guy to build a city there. :mrgreen:

Would that be cardwell or mission beach or innisfail. I guess. All nice options for the state of NQ.

 

[Siegfried]

And build LOTS of roundabouts.

 

[cove]

Just keep calm when this newly renamed tax on coal and iron ore is knocked out by the High Court challenge which is obviously coming.
Negotiating a tax on two specific assets that belong to each State looks a bit suspect but will be great stuff for the legal fraternity.
Julia needs to work on shrinking the size of the Government as her top priority just in case the Feds tax is ruled invalid.

 

[straitman]

Julia needs to work on shrinking the size of the Government as her top priority just in case the Feds tax is ruled invalid.

Followed closely by all this petty in fighting between states over who is more important and/or richer.

Maybe getting rid of the states is a good idea afterall!

 

[medhead]

Followed closely by all this petty in fighting between states over who is more important and/or richer.

Maybe getting rid of the states is a good idea afterall!

Or are they arguing over who is less important and poorer and hence deserving of more money. My problem is I can't decide which level of government needs to go. Having worked for a state government and experienced the inability of commowealth public servants work efficiently. I see the need for the state government. Obviously we also need a national government. Which leaves the councils, but then we probably need them as well.

Just keep calm when this newly renamed tax on coal and iron ore is knocked out by the High Court challenge which is obviously coming.
Negotiating a tax on two specific assets that belong to each State looks a bit suspect but will be great stuff for the legal fraternity.
Julia needs to work on shrinking the size of the Government as her top priority just in case the Feds tax is ruled invalid.

Is this like the high court challenge that ruled the equivalent petroleum tax invalid. Who is goig to bring this high court challenge? The minig companies that have agreed to the tax? The WA government, who will get $2 bil for infrastructure because of this tax? Well actually that is possible given the way they are slicing off their nose over the GST split.

 

[cove]

It's ok for them to act like seagulls fighting over that last chip!

 

[simongr]

I really think that State taxes should go to the source as they are raised.
What I am trying to say is WA should get 100% of the money raised off this consumption tax as it was meant to be when it was proposed. No more and no less.

This a single nation yes? Shouldn't taxes raised in the country be used in the country as a whole where the need arises. The states are arbitrary lines on a map - why repatriate GST to Double Bay or Western Sydney?

When I recently took my Australian Citizenship oath I pledged to Australia - not the part where I have chosen to live...

 

[cove]

Yes we are all one OZ.
The problem is some cities have been swamped with arrivals and the rate of infrastructural improvements has not kept up.
Sydney and Perth would be 2 cities where there was a big groan factor when the idea of a big population was proposed.
Sydney can feel choked and Perth has more work to do on water supply.
I am sure other major cities in OZ are wanting to fix a lot of infrastructure first.