new QF dress regulations - social media backlash

[Himeno]

The problem is the association between standard of dress, and behaviour. Wearing thongs automatically equals bad behaviour? It's usually the blokes in suits having loud convos on their phones or watching videos with no headphones in my experience....

Or the parents who let their kids run around screaming. You can bet that when the kid runs into something and gets hurt, they'll blame Qantas. Yet Qantas has no issue with the kids running around?

 

[blackcat20]

Or the parents who let their kids run around screaming. You can bet that when the kid runs into something and gets hurt, they'll blame Qantas. Yet Qantas has no issue with the kids running around?

Sat next to one in the MEL J lounge recently. The mum just kept looking at the kid and smiling :shock:

 

[Ansett]

Sat next to one in the MEL J lounge recently. The mum just kept looking at the kid and smiling :shock:

Had that in the F lounge last year and the Children were travelling with well to do parents who spoke well and travelling in F, Leaving the kids running ALL over and screaming and jumping and fighting. The parents sat and laughed not saying a word and with no consideration for others. The parents and children were all very well dressed Not a singlet nor thongs in site BUT I would have to refer to them as upper middle class Bogans based purely on behaviour and not dress.

Ended up speaking to the first host about it and it was suggested that it may be better if they moved into one of the offices with the children. They of course refused and continued to allow the kids free reign.

 

[blackcat20]

Had that in the F lounge last year and the Children were travelling with well to do parents who spoke well and travelling in F, Leaving the kids running ALL over and screaming and jumping and fighting. The parents sat and laughed not saying a word and with no consideration for others. The parents and children were all very well dressed Not a singlet nor thongs in site BUT I would have to refer to them as upper middle class Bogans based purely on behaviour and not dress.

Ended up speaking to the first host about it and it was suggested that it may be better if they moved into one of the offices with the children. They of course refused and continued to allow the kids free reign.

That's when it should be suggested that they control the kids or will be asked to leave...

 

[Ansett]

That's when it should be suggested that they control the kids or will be asked to leave...

Guess they didn't want to upset 4 x F passengers. Sooooooooooo Glad I wasn't in that Cabin. I doubt behaviour would have improved on board.

 

[TomVexille]

Guess they didn't want to upset 4 x F passengers. Sooooooooooo Glad I wasn't in that Cabin. I doubt behaviour would have improved on board.

Definitely a fine line to tread between pissing off different high value customers

 

[wanderer_au]

As has been pointed out already, it would be absurd if you couldn't wear thongs (flip-flops for our American friends) and sandals in the Qantas Club at OOL, for example. But I have no problem with the dress standards for the capital city Qantas Clubs.

When you join a club, you accept the club's rules. If you don't like the rules, don't join the club. Besides, part of my preference for flying QF lies *precisely* because i'm not going to be confronted on the way home from a long day trip for meetings, by someone in a singlet. It's bad enough being stuck in 23C with other corporate wage slaves after a long day, usually starting with a red eye. If my afternoon downtime is going to be spent in a plane I want as few of my senses assaulted as possible.

Sorry. #notsorry

 

[MEL_Traveller]

... lies *precisely* because i'm not going to be confronted on the way home from a long day trip for meetings, by someone in a singlet.

how about if that person in a singlet is a paramedic? Or nurse? Or returned service person? Or someone else who has saved your life or the life of someone close?

 

[Deleted member 29185]

As has been pointed out already, it would be absurd if you couldn't wear thongs (flip-flops for our American friends) and sandals in the Qantas Club at OOL,

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.

Surfers Paradise has a fair selection of sleezy nightclubs, but try getting into any of them wearing thongs. No hope.

Are you suggesting OOL QP is a lower class of establishment than a sleezy nightclub?

 

[RooFlyer]

As has been pointed out already, it would be absurd if you couldn't wear thongs (flip-flops for our American friends) and sandals in the Qantas Club at OOL, for example. But I have no problem with the dress standards for the capital city Qantas Clubs.

When you join a club, you accept the club's rules. If you don't like the rules, don't join the club

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Can't see why the dress code shouldn't be the same for OOL ( or any QP) as for 'capital cities' QPs. Once you are in the QP, the environment is much the same as in all of them. It's an indoor, air conditioned lounge. And the next destination is much the same - an airplane.

But other than that, I agree with you

 

[Deleted member 29185]

how about if that person in a singlet is a paramedic? Or nurse? Or returned service person? Or someone else who has saved your life or the life of someone close?

Hmm, not sure of your reasoning either. A Royal flying doctor member recently shot dead his father and tried killing someone else in ROK. Does the fact he worked for Royal flying doctors and no doubt saved, or at least assisted in saving, someone at some point excuse him of unacceptable (albeit extreme) behaviour?

 

[wanderer_au]

What role does someone's occupation play here? I'm talking about the visual effect of someone in a singlet.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Hmm, not sure of your reasoning either. A Royal flying doctor member recently shot dead his father and tried killing someone else in ROK. Does the fact he worked for Royal flying doctors and no doubt saved, or at least assisted in saving, someone at some point excuse him of unacceptable (albeit extreme) behaviour?

My point was that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. I'm not sure I understand why a paramedic coming back from holidays in a singlet deserves to be judged by those who choose to wear suits.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What role does someone's occupation play here? I'm talking about the visual effect of someone in a singlet.

Perhaps it might help if you describe the visual effect, and how that affects you? Otherwise it's a bit hard to understand, and could come across as a prejudice.

 

[wanderer_au]

Are you suggesting OOL QP is a lower class of establishment than a sleezy nightclub?

No, I'm saying that OOL is the entry point for a beach-based tourist industry, and it makes sense a dress code being more relaxed there, than for a lounge at Sydney Aiport, where maybe half the passengers have arrived there from the Sydney CBD via the Eastern Distributor after a day of meetings. Let me be clear - I'm not saying there should be a dress code on the plane. I just don't blame QF for wanting to create a certain ambience in their lounges in capital cities, especially during the working week. It makes sense given who their core market is (or so it seems to me).

 

[wanderer_au]

Perhaps it might help if you describe the visual effect, and how that affects you? Otherwise it's a bit hard to understand, and could come across as a prejudice.

A fair enough comment, and no negative comment was intended - and especially not about essential services personnel, who already are copping a raw deal. I'm not going to pretend I don't have my own personal prejudices (read: preferences) though - we all do, in one way or another, about different things.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

My point was that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. I'm not sure I understand why a paramedic coming back from holidays in a singlet deserves to be judged by those who choose to wear suits.

OK I read it wrong. I guess then, the answer is that if a club (which it is) chooses to invoke a dress standard, than people can choose to join and comply (in respect for the wishes of those that run the club) or not join. I don't see the the logic in arguing someone should join a club but then get huffy when they're expected to comply with the requirements of club membership. Surely it has nothing to do with judging a book by it's cover.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

No, I'm saying that OOL is the entry point for a beach-based tourist industry, and it makes sense a dress code being more relaxed there, than for a lounge at Sydney Aiport, where maybe half the passengers have arrived there from the Sydney CBD via the Eastern Distributor after a day of meetings. Let me be clear - I'm not saying there should be a dress code on the plane. I just don't blame QF for wanting to create a certain ambience in their lounges in capital cities, especially during the working week. It makes sense given who their core market is (or so it seems to me).

Just down the road a bit is a nudist beach, so is it Ok for a nudist to turn up in their beach attire too?


(PS....I agree with your agruments...just not that there should be a more relaxed requirement for some places over others)

 

[JamesSMith]

I thoroughly support Qantas dress standards policy. To me flying is an experience that I enjoy and one that should be treated with some respect, that is, I am not at the beach, not going to the local pub and I have not just knocked off work and I do not want stink like I have. Those same thoughts apply to the Qantas Club! Unfortunately society these days seems to want to go to the lowest standards. Good on you Qantas, preserve some respect in your lounges and better still, do the came in your cabins.

 

[RooFlyer]

I thoroughly support Qantas dress standards policy. To me flying is an experience that I enjoy and one that should be treated with some respect, that is, I am not at the beach, not going to the local pub and I have not just knocked off work and I do not want stink like I have. Those same thoughts apply to the Qantas Club! Unfortunately society these days seems to want to go to the lowest standards. Good on you Qantas, preserve some respect in your lounges and better still, do the came in your cabins.

Welcome to AFF JamesSMith . I guess you mean you support the policy as far as it goes. As noted above, the policy - or at least the recent better enforcement - only applies to certain lounges. I still can't figure out why anything goes at HBA, whilst in MEL you are expected to meet a higher standard.