Now Boarding ... Chicken or Beef?

[Flashback]

I remember reading that flights in and around China often have life jackets souvenired.

I remember an article in the last 6 months or so where a Chinese lady did this and was punished accordingly.

 

[blackcat20]

I always check under my seat to make sure it's there...

 

[RooFlyer]

I've discussed this before on AFF but the Canadian air regulator ruled years ago that flights within 50 nautical miles of shore aren't required to carry life jackets - floatation devices (like seat cushions) will do. (Airlines love this as they save weight and fuel). Still find it hard to believe that one. 50 miles is a LONG way away from land if you are waiting to be rescued!

 

[Archphoto]

I've discussed this before on AFF but the Canadian air regulator ruled years ago that flights within 50 nautical miles of shore aren't required to carry life jackets - floatation devices (like seat cushions) will do. (Airlines love this as they save weight and fuel). Still find it hard to believe that one. 50 miles is a LONG way away from land if you are waiting to be rescued!

Reminds me of Whyalla Airlines Flight 904. A colleague of my mum died in that accident and one of the outcomes, was that any aircraft operating over water were to carry lifejackets. Rather scary as she often flew that route prior to and after the incident, for Ports Corp/DMH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whyalla_Airlines_Flight_904

 

[Major]

The last few posts of this thread http://www.australianfrequentflyer....jetstar-in-air-fight-77214-3.html#post1484718 ask about FA training

What training is received regarding the physical restraint of a passenger ?

Whose decision is it to restrain a passenger, the Captain or CSM ?

 

[milehighclub]

We do security training every two years. We learn some self defence and ways to deal with aggressive passengers. We are also trained how to put on the flexicuffs.

The captain has overall authority on when someone is to be restrained and must give approval, however if a situation is violent enough, you can attach the flexicuffs before letting the captain know. If there is time, the CSM would speak with the captain first advising of the situation.

Once the restraints are on, they stay on till landing.

 

[Quickstatus]

We do security training every two years. We learn some self defence and ways to deal with aggressive passengers. We are also trained how to put on the flexicuffs.

The captain has overall authority on when someone is to be restrained and must give approval, however if a situation is violent enough, you can attach the flexicuffs before letting the captain know. If there is time, the CSM would speak with the captain first advising of the situation.

Once the restraints are on, they stay on till landing.

Woukd restraints mean divert to an alternate airport if an alternate is closer?

 

[flychrisfly]

Woukd restraints mean divert to an alternate airport if an alternate is closer?

This might be one for the 'Ask the Pilot' thread

 

[milehighclub]

Depends on the situation.

Usually if only one person is being restrained you wouldn't divert (and is often the case).

 

[aleksandrab]

Sorry if this one has already been asked, but I was wondering about the message in the current Qantas safety video that says 'if you lose your electronic device, please don't move your seat'. Is this just to stop passengers bothering other passengers if your phone goes under someone else's seat? Or is there another reason? Thanks! This is a great thread

 

[garee]

I saw on TV where a phone caught on fire when trapped in an airline seat when the battery was pierced by moving the seat...maybe that is why.

 

[blackcat20]

Sorry if this one has already been asked, but I was wondering about the message in the current Qantas safety video that says 'if you lose your electronic device, please don't move your seat'. Is this just to stop passengers bothering other passengers if your phone goes under someone else's seat? Or is there another reason? Thanks! This is a great thread

Move your F or J seat and you risk crushing the phone, and starting a fire as per the post above.

 

[milehighclub]

As mentioned, it creates a fire risk if the phone gets squashed in the seat mechanics.

The new safety demo, as was mentioned now says to get a crew member to help, however just recently this was also introduced as an additional PA after take off and before landing as there was a smoke event on board just recently as the seat was moved and crushed the phone.

I saw a picture of it and the phone was unrecognisable.

 

[anat0l]

Might have been answered before, but is there a way to retrieve the phone safely in flight, or must one wait until the plane gets back on the ground / lands at the destination?

 

[equus]

I would hope so - otherwise there is going to be an issue if the seat is reclined, and has to be returned to the upright position for landing.

 

[docjames]

Others in this thread are far more qualified to answer but i've had a few FAs tell me the long haul J seats are notorious for phones etc getting trapped inside them as they fall out of pockets / laps etc. This most recently in the context of my seat from MEL-DXB getting frozen with footrest extended ("have you dropped your phone in it?"), then "repaired" in DXB but then from DXB-LHR freezing in the full flat position and unable to be reset to upright or indeed moved at all manually (and again, no, it wasn't my phone which was safely in my pocket!).

 

[milehighclub]

Might have been answered before, but is there a way to retrieve the phone safely in flight, or must one wait until the plane gets back on the ground / lands at the destination?

We are able to find the phone and crew are usually pretty successful at doing it. Just we know how to pull apart the seat and where to look so it's best for us to do it and not the passenger.

 

[anat0l]

We are able to find the phone and crew are usually pretty successful at doing it. Just we know how to pull apart the seat and where to look so it's best for us to do it and not the passenger.

OK it's good to know that generally there is a procedure (i.e. the seat can be "pulled apart"). If one had to wait until the flight was over and on the ground before the seat could be "pulled apart" or similar to retrieve the device, that could be a sore point.

 

[Flashback]

Others in this thread are far more qualified to answer but i've had a few FAs tell me the long haul J seats are notorious for phones etc getting trapped inside them as they fall out of pockets / laps etc. This most recently in the context of my seat from MEL-DXB getting frozen with footrest extended ("have you dropped your phone in it?"), then "repaired" in DXB but then from DXB-LHR freezing in the full flat position and unable to be reset to upright or indeed moved at all manually (and again, no, it wasn't my phone which was safely in my pocket!).

I had similar on my recent MIA-LHR. Woke up before landing hoping to eat breakfast and get some work done and seat just would not budge. First thing they asked was whether I had my phone. Yes, it was stored in that coughpy drawer BA Club World seats have. It took 5 FA's and 45 minutes of me standing (completely full flight) before I got my seat back and in working order.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

OK it's good to know that generally there is a procedure (i.e. the seat can be "pulled apart"). If one had to wait until the flight was over and on the ground before the seat could be "pulled apart" or similar to retrieve the device, that could be a sore point.

It's rare, but not completely uncommon to have 'pull seats apart', especially if the motor or electrics give out and the seat has to be returned to the upright position for landing (or indeed converted into bed mode in the first place as happened to me on my last flight). The cushions come away pretty quickly to reveal a skeleton of metal underneath.