Number of QFF Members

[Kiwi Flyer]

JohnK - only need 1200 SCs to requalify (or less if some kind of averaging used as has been speculated).

It would be really interesting to know the average composition of a flight - ie how many CL, WP etc.

The thing about platinums is that they fly a lot :roll:

As such there are always a heap on the plane!

Some quick analysis yesterday of boarding passes as people filed past had WPs in the aisle on a 737NG SYD - BNE back to about row 11. Assuming there are just as many with a window preference that would have over 24 WP and CL on the flight + business class (and last minute flight changes further back in the cabin).

Anyone done any similar research or have any real numbers?

I'd guess a lot more than half of WPs have forward aisle as seating preference.

 

[JohnK]

JohnK - only need 1200 SCs to requalify (or less if some kind of averaging used as has been speculated).

Yes I know. But when you are a mere plebby silver then you need 1400 SC's to qualify.

 

[Yada Yada]

It would be really interesting to know the average composition of a flight - ie how many CL, WP etc.

The thing about platinums is that they fly a lot :roll:

As such there are always a heap on the plane!

Some quick analysis yesterday of boarding passes as people filed past had WPs in the aisle on a 737NG SYD - BNE back to about row 11. Assuming there are just as many with a window preference that would have over 24 WP and CL on the flight + business class (and last minute flight changes further back in the cabin).

Interesting stats. As an SG with "forward aisle" preference, I have never been seated further forward than about row 18 on a 737. Now I know why.

 

[infoworks]

I actually got 4C SYD-OOL the other day straight off - a first!

 

[JohnK]

If there are 4.5m FF members, 500K of which are "status" members and 60,000 are Platinum, then Plat members represent 12% of those with status and 1.3% of the overall number. That sounds correct statistically. Further analysis of the numbers show that 88.8% are Bronze; so the combined percentage of Silver and Gold members are 10%.

I would think that about 3% are Gold and around 7% Silver (or numerically, ~135K Gold and ~315K Silver members)

Statistically that sounds feasible. You have x number of platinums, gold members are ~twice as many platinum members are silver members are ~twice as many gold members.

The surprising factor is 4,500,000 members. If you factored in overseas QFF members, expat Aussies, NZ'ers and other foreigners, then almost 1 in 5 of the Australian population are members of QFF. :shock:

This information must be available somewhere other than Qantas.

 

[tanewi]

Hey, John you are still lurking here, what happened to your "usual haunts"? Give me a call.

I am also of the opinion, that many of the overseas members are in fact Aussie based, given that it costs nought to join if you are not domiciled in Oz/NZ.

 

[JohnK]

Hey, John you are still lurking here, what happened to your "usual haunts"? Give me a call.

I am also of the opinion, that many of the overseas members are in fact Aussie based, given that it costs nought to join if you are not domiciled in Oz/NZ.

Master tanewi thought it was you. I am forgetting more than I am learning on aff. So much to take in. So many wonderful people with fantastic suggestions.

What do you mean my "usual haunts"? :shock: Other than Thailand I have no other haunts. No skeletons in the closet either.

 

[DPG]

With 60,000 Platinums, does anyone think QF needs to have another status between WP and CL?

What level do people think this should be? Maybe 2400 status credits in a year.

It would be interesting to see what they would offer to differntiate it from WP.

Just a thought...

D P G

 

[Mal]

I think one of the best rejigs they could do is to offer WP's access to the Domestic CL clubs. Would differentiate WP over SG for a lot of regular pax.

 

[NM]

With 60,000 Platinums, does anyone think QF needs to have another status between WP and CL?

What level do people think this should be? Maybe 2400 status credits in a year.

It would be interesting to see what they would offer to differntiate it from WP.

Just a thought...

D P G

They already do have a level above Platinum. Its called Partner Gold. When you get to 2100 SCs you get all the benefits of Platinum status, plus your partner gets the benefits of Gold status.

 

[Groundfeeder]

Some quick analysis yesterday of boarding passes as people filed past had WPs in the aisle on a 737NG SYD - BNE back to about row 11. Assuming there are just as many with a window preference that would have over 24 WP and CL on the flight + business class (and last minute flight changes further back in the cabin).

Thank you duffshot for confirming my exceptional previous analysis - Mum will be pleased those Uni fees were good value!

 

[robertz]

Interesting stats. As an SG with "forward aisle" preference, I have never been seated further forward than about row 18 on a 737. Now I know why.

Sometimes QF uses the blindfold and point method.

I have 'forward isle' (FI) as well and find depending on the flight, different parts are used. On Intl, my 'FI' got me 35b (QF12). So forward but definately not isle. Where as I have been in the 50's but with 2 seats next to me blocked.
On dom, I get the isle but not always forward. Which is understandable with other status people on the flight.

Best one Ive had was QF175 26G, with 3 seats blocked. So, got a haytrick on that one. Forward, Isle and Block

Im sure other people have more of an idea on how seat allocation works in regards to status and preference. Its just interesting how the system works and sometimes doesn't.

Rob

 

[Yada Yada]

Thanks Rob.

At least I do always get aisle on domestic, so I should be thankful. On international, I always get my preference (upstairs window), which is really neat.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

JohnK - you've already read a couple of ways here on AFF.

An ex-TIP F ticket is one.

A suitably constructed DONE4 with part in one membership year and part in another is very nearly enough for WP status for 2 years.

Another way to WP for just over AU$5000 is 8 round trips AKL-SYD-AKL in business class on LAN. 80 SCs for NZ$299+ tax each way.

 

[JohnK]

Another way to WP for just over AU$5000 is 8 round trips AKL-SYD-AKL in business class on LAN. 80 SCs for NZ$299+ tax each way.

Sounds good but the best way is to work for a multi-national company and swindle your way to 6 (read only six) business class trips to SE Asia every year. Actually with SC changes after May 25 you can do it in only 4 trips.

And just for icing on the cake get upgraded to first class on most trips. :roll:

Isn't that right Ian :?:

 

[JohnK]

This article from getaway in May 2002 suggests that there are just over 3,000,000 frequent flyer members in Australia.

http://getaway.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=16198

Would this be close to the mark. :?: Not sure if overseas members and any new members since 2002 would total 1,500,000 to increase membership to 4,500,000.

 

[DPG]

With 60,000 Platinums, does anyone think QF needs to have another status between WP and CL?

What level do people think this should be? Maybe 2400 status credits in a year.

It would be interesting to see what they would offer to differntiate it from WP.

Just a thought...

D P G

They already do have a level above Platinum. Its called Partner Gold. When you get to 2100 SCs you get all the benefits of Platinum status, plus your partner gets the benefits of Gold status.

I guess being single, I was more thinking of a new level inbetween WP and CL. Partner Gold would be great, but I guess it would be good for QF to have something for WP's to aim for, as a lot of WP's would never be considered for CL.

Maybe an option would be for a new level, to offer comp upgrades subject to availability on at least domestic flights. Say you earnt 2400 SC in a year, you would be bumped from Y to J on a space available basis. It wouldn't cost QF much, as a lot of WP's fly business any way, and for a majority of flights that would be frequented by WP's i.e. the peak hour cityflyer flights, J would be full anyway.

Just my two cents...

D P G

 

[DPG]

JohnK - you've already read a couple of ways here on AFF.

An ex-TIP F ticket is one.

A suitably constructed DONE4 with part in one membership year and part in another is very nearly enough for WP status for 2 years.

Another way to WP for just over AU$5000 is 8 round trips AKL-SYD-AKL in business class on LAN. 80 SCs for NZ$299+ tax each way.

This one used to be much better before LAN increased their YQ tax. I used this one a couple of times to bump myself up to WP. One one of the flights, LAN had a schedule change of approx 8 hours due to the tug mishap in AKL, so I got them to move me from a LA flight to a QF flight! Great, I got my status bonus as well.

I was discussing with a friend yesterday, using LA D rtn fares would require 9 return flights at a cost of approx $6400, so 4.7c per status credit. This would be for someone who needs to attain WP rather than requalify.

It works great if you are a little short at the end your QF membership year.

D P G

 

[JohnK]

JohnK - you've already read a couple of ways here on AFF.

An ex-TIP F ticket is one.

A suitably constructed DONE4 with part in one membership year and part in another is very nearly enough for WP status for 2 years.

Another way to WP for just over AU$5000 is 8 round trips AKL-SYD-AKL in business class on LAN. 80 SCs for NZ$299+ tax each way.

Sounds pretty inviting but I don't think I want to spend $5000 every year just to get WP status. I enjoy going to Thailand 2-3 times a year and that keeps me extremely happy. If I am organising ATW and I can maximise SC's to achieve WP status then fine otherwise I will only spend enough money to try to maintain current status based on Thailand trips.

I have trip to BKK in December SYD-BNE-SIN-BKK-SIN-BNE-SYD and 110SC's, SYD-ADL via MEL in Feb 40 SC's, SYD-PER via ADL in Mar 70 SC's. It will leave me 50 SC's short of requalifying silver. I will now plan award trip in April DRW-SIN-BNE-SYD and pay ~AUD$225 SIN-BKK-SIN 30 SC's and also SYD-ADL-DRW for $AUD367 35 SC's. The ADL-DRW flight is QF81 which will be the same flight as the award flight DRW-SIN.

I am planning ATW in June/July, new SC's year, but not sure how many SC's I will snag there as time constraints and money will be factors. Organising and dreaming is half the fun though.