Obtaining Gold membership without enough QF segments?

[JohnK]

QF needs to urgently relax this rule especially given the constant shrinkage of its international flight network.

Why relax the rule? Why is the perception there that airlines need to, must, gift status to everyone? Because of double SCs promotions everywhere? I think airlines in Australia have go that totally wrong on more than level.

By the way try and get top status with CX, BA, SQ just to name a few airlines and then tell me if you still think Qantas is difficult.

 

[markis10]

By the way try and get top status with CX, BA, SQ just to name a few airlines and then tell me if you still think Qantas is difficult.

I take it you don't have Marco Polo Gold then compliments of Amex? Status is a marketing tool, increasingly it can be bought as well as earned in more and more airlines around the world, or matched .

 

[Oneworldplus2]

By the way try and get top status with CX, BA, SQ just to name a few airlines and then tell me if you still think Qantas is difficult.

I thought attaining status on SQ was like QF, easy to get if you fly in the premium cabins?

 

[JohnK]

I take it you don't have Marco Polo Gold then compliments of Amex? Status is a marketing tool, increasingly it can be bought as well as earned in more and more airlines around the world, or matched .

Amex Platinum? Cannot justify annual fee.

I thought attaining status on SQ was like QF, easy to get if you fly in the premium cabins?

I thought something like PPS Solitaire required a minimum spend as well. I believe a figure of >$25,000 is the starting point.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I thought something like PPS Solitaire required a minimum spend as well. I believe a figure of >$25,000 is the starting point.

Yes, you are right, but if going for something like QF Gold, which is like SQ Gold, it could in-fact be easier.

Becoming a KrisFlyer Elite Gold Member

Your membership year will be the 12-month period from the date of your enrolment as a KrisFlyer member or upgrade to KrisFlyer Elite Silver status. During this time, you may qualify for KrisFlyer Elite Gold status by earning the required number of Elite miles.
KrisFlyer Elite Gold status will be yours when you achieve 50,000 Elite miles in any class of service on Singapore Airlines, SilkAir or any Star Alliance airline during your Elite Silver membership year.
If you achieve an upgrade to KrisFlyer Elite Gold status, your Elite Gold membership year will begin on the date of your upgrade.

Renewing Your KrisFlyer Elite Gold Membership
Your Elite Gold membership will be renewed if you earn at least 50,000 Elite miles during your Elite Gold membership year.

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[JohnK]

Yes, you are right, but if going for something like QF Gold, which is like SQ Gold, it could in-fact be easier.

I believe it is easier to achieve status on QF than it is on some of the other airlines. Which is what I posted earlier.

Personally I think the minimum sector requirement on Qantas should be at least 8 sectors if not 16 sectors per membership year.

 

[kempvet]

I believe it is easier to achieve status on QF than it is on some of the other airlines. Which is what I posted earlier.

Personally I think the minimum sector requirement on Qantas should be at least 8 sectors if not 16 sectors per membership year.

It is incredibly easy to reach oneworld emerald with Qantas compared to other airlines, I am hoping to be AA ex plat soon and can tell you, it is simply BIS travel most of the time, there are no real short cuts. For example, I would have to do 6 or 7 of the AA Qantas status credit runs to achieve ex plat with AA, where with QF only 2 of these runs together with the 4 joeys in the pouch.

 

[simongr]

Personally I think the minimum sector requirement on Qantas should be at least 8 sectors if not 16 sectors per membership year.

I am not sure on this - I do have 58 sectors so far this membership year but if I was doing less frequent international J travel then 16 would be rough. That would potentially be 8 return flights in J to the UK. Amassing a total of 3,840 SCs - and that would be just flying on QF.

 

[deadfish]

Yes, you are right, but if going for something like QF Gold, which is like SQ Gold, it could in-fact be easier.

I was wondering about this myself, some calculations:

SQ Requires 4.56 SIN-LAX J sectors for SQ Gold
QF Requires 3.5 SYD-DFW J sectors for QF Gold* (3 for renewal)

SQ Requires 10.23 SIN-SYD J sectors for SQ Gold
QF Requires 5.83 SIN-SYD J sectors for QF Gold (5 for renewal)

SQ Requires 73.26 SIN-CGK J sectors for SQ Gold (deliberately picked a sector closer to the 600 mile mark)
QF Requires 17.5 SYD-MEL J sectors for QF Gold (15 for renewal)

For discount Y QF has SQ beat again in similar proportions. It's only a close call where travel mostly either full-fare suite or International Flexi-Y below Y class, even then QF is ahead by around 10-15%.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I was wondering about this myself, some calculations:

SQ Requires 4.56 SIN-LAX J sectors for SQ Gold
QF Requires 3.5 SYD-DFW J sectors for QF Gold* (3 for renewal)

SQ Requires 10.23 SIN-SYD J sectors for SQ Gold
QF Requires 5.83 SIN-SYD J sectors for QF Gold (5 for renewal)

SQ Requires 73.26 SIN-CGK J sectors for SQ Gold (deliberately picked a sector closer to the 600 mile mark)
QF Requires 17.5 SYD-MEL J sectors for QF Gold (15 for renewal)

For discount Y QF has SQ beat again in similar proportions. It's only a close call where travel mostly either full-fare suite or International Flexi-Y below Y class, even then QF is ahead by around 10-15%.

Well, there ya go. Egg on my face...

 

[tyrolean]

Well, there ya go. Egg on my face...

If you after Status in Staralliance, you may think about Aegean Airlines.
If you chose the right booking classes, you may be Star Gold with one trip to Asia!

You may think about the Airberlin Program. You will earn Statusmiles on every Oneworld flight plus on Etihad. Maybe that will be a solution.

As a member based in Europe, I find the 4 Segments quite harsh.

I started about 10 years ago. The main Argument was the Lifetime Status (and is still).

For my EU Trips I use BA in Club Europe - so QF does not pay for my lounge access. They earn a little amount with my points.

Under the old rules, BA Gold would have been more easy to attain than QF Plat, but I still sticked to QF!

I still manage to do a flight to SIN every year to get my four segments (with codeshare feeders), but I really give them some revenue.
But on my Australia trips (not regulary) I usually fly quite a lot - sometimes with quite significant groups. I would never consider DJ.

How loyal are the people that fly 4 Segments with dirty cheap Red E-Deals or Jetstar fares plus some AA runs? More loyal than a guest that books a F-Ticket LHR-SYD once a year - who just gets two segments? How loyal is someone who books the QF Flights LHR-SIN with the BA code (same amount of revenue, due to revenue sharing) and flies that in F or J?

I see the 4 Segment rule just a discrimination of oversea users, as QF is just reducing their international network. If you live outside Australia they do not care about you. End of Story!

On one hand QF complains that their international network is not making money. But they make it very hard to be loyal with them!

 

[JohnK]

I am not sure on this - I do have 58 sectors so far this membership year but if I was doing less frequent international J travel then 16 would be rough. That would potentially be 8 return flights in J to the UK. Amassing a total of 3,840 SCs - and that would be just flying on QF.

Perhaps you are right. Athough with that travel you mentioned above it would not be too difficult to route via MEL to get the necessary 8 or 16 sectors.

 

[chonetsao.co.uk]

Can anyone confirm the four sectors requirement includes jetstar Asia? For some reason I received a print out says QF,JQ code only.

 

[serfty]

Can anyone confirm the four sectors requirement includes jetstar Asia? For some reason I received a print out says QF,JQ code only.

Any travel eligible to earn QFF points/SC's on Qantas or Jetstar flight numbers counts as a "squiggle".

To be specific: (http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/terms#jump19)

20.1.5 The travel required in each Membership Year to attain or retain Silver, Gold or Platinum status level must include a minimum of four Eligible Flight Segments where Qantas, QantasLink or a Jetstar Airline is the Marketing Carrier.

 

[ermen]

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[chonetsao.co.uk]

Any travel eligible to earn QFF points/SC's on Qantas or Jetstar flight numbers counts as a "squiggle".

To be specific: (Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions)

That still did not answer my own doubt.

I just received my membership renewable pack. The Important Information listed 13 terms and condition. The last one said:

13. A minimum of four eligible flights with a QF or JQ flight number on your ticket is required to keep your statuseach membership year. See qantas.com/terms for details. (This information is current at the date of publiction May 2012)

So from what I read there flight number with 3K seems not be included...It just make me confused when Qantas did not specify to abusolute details...Oh well I will report back few weeks later when I took my Asia adventure with 3K.

 

[ermen]

So from what I read there flight number with 3K seems not be included...It just make me confused when Qantas did not specify to abusolute details...Oh well I will report back few weeks later when I took my Asia adventure with 3K.

I got the squiggle on 3K. Need to pay to get it though.

 

[oz_mark]

In the actual terms and conditions on the website, jetstar airlines is defined as including jq, 3k and vf.

Other jetstar airlines such as jetstar pacific are non earning.

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[simongr]

As a member based in Europe, I find the 4 Segments quite harsh.

I started about 10 years ago. The main Argument was the Lifetime Status (and is still).

For my EU Trips I use BA in Club Europe - so QF does not pay for my lounge access. They earn a little amount with my points.

Under the old rules, BA Gold would have been more easy to attain than QF Plat, but I still sticked to QF!

I still manage to do a flight to SIN every year to get my four segments (with codeshare feeders), but I really give them some revenue.
But on my Australia trips (not regulary) I usually fly quite a lot - sometimes with quite significant groups. I would never consider DJ.

How loyal are the people that fly 4 Segments with dirty cheap Red E-Deals or Jetstar fares plus some AA runs? More loyal than a guest that books a F-Ticket LHR-SYD once a year - who just gets two segments? How loyal is someone who books the QF Flights LHR-SIN with the BA code (same amount of revenue, due to revenue sharing) and flies that in F or J?

I see the 4 Segment rule just a discrimination of oversea users, as QF is just reducing their international network. If you live outside Australia they do not care about you. End of Story!

On one hand QF complains that their international network is not making money. But they make it very hard to be loyal with them!

Discrimination? Like how BA doesn't even allow people in this region to join their program.

You haven't been loyal to QF you have been loyal to QFF. There is a big difference.

Two flights a year is not really loyalty - yes you spend a lot with them on that flight but they need to set the bar somewhere. The will always be anomalies like you but I think 4 - 8 would be fair.

 

[markis10]

That still did not answer my own doubt.

I just received my membership renewable pack. The Important Information listed 13 terms and condition. The last one said:

13. A minimum of four eligible flights with a QF or JQ flight number on your ticket is required to keep your statuseach membership year. See qantas.com/terms for details. (This information is current at the date of publiction May 2012)

So from what I read there flight number with 3K seems not be included...It just make me confused when Qantas did not specify to abusolute details...Oh well I will report back few weeks later when I took my Asia adventure with 3K.

Did you look at the definitions in the terms and conditions of the program on the website as linked by serfty:

'Jetstar Airlines' means each of Jetstar (JQ), Jetstar Asia (3K) and Valuair (VF); and on the website the wording is "provided you have travelled a minimum of four eligible Qantas, QantasLink or Jetstar flights during your membership year", it does not say JQ!