Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

ozflier, I feel your pain. If you want something incredibly simple like Australia-US-Europe-Asia-Australia, to the major cities, you're only issue is usually availability. But anythying remotely complicated and QF's litany of rules will stab you at every turn.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

PE Oneworld Award
I saw a comment on here a few days ago about such a thing but can't find it on the QF site. Is it now available / has anyone heard any rumours that might suggest its in the works?
I can tolerate Y for short legs but I don't have the points for J.
Any help much appreciated.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

PE Oneworld Award
I saw a comment on here a few days ago about such a thing but can't find it on the QF site. Is it now available / has anyone heard any rumours that might suggest its in the works?
I can tolerate Y for short legs but I don't have the points for J.
Any help much appreciated.

Sign up for a few credit cards with a good QF signup bonus and your J award will be at your hands sooner than you can imagine
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Quick query on first class travel - are QF BA and JL the only OW airlines that fly first class into Australia?

I am quite unimpressed with BA first class having flown it once from LHR to SIN. QR doesn't fly F into Australia do they?


Thanks,
Dale.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Emirates fly 1st into Australia I'm pretty sure
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Yes I am aware of EK but they are difficult to book ahead of time and not a member of OneWorld for the 420K award.

I have flown EK first and it was fantastic and tossing up whether to do 2 Emirates awards if can get them to Europe (return) or a OW 420K award. Really only want to go to Europe and New York as we are the type of travellers that like to take our time in places rather than cover lots of destinations.

Dale.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Quick query on first class travel - are QF BA and JL the only OW airlines that fly first class into Australia?

I am quite unimpressed with BA first class having flown it once from LHR to SIN. QR doesn't fly F into Australia do they?


Thanks,
Dale.

I know QR fly first DXB-xDOH-MEL. Not sure of other routes though.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thinking of one of the "RTW" itineraries for 2 adults, 2 teens (16/14) late next year/early next - ie. Dec/Jan...

MEL>SYD>JNB
JNB>FRA
FRA>MAN
MAN>WAS
WAS>MCO
MCO>MEL

I have a couple of questions...

1) I can't find any Washington > Orlando flights on the QF booking engine for some reason, so substituted JFK to ensure the rest of it meets the 140k criteria which it did. Anyone know why I couldn't find any Washington>MCO AA flights - I tried quite a number of dates, short, medium and long term?

2) Given I believe the SYD>JNB route fills up pretty quick I believe I need to book that one first and add the others later as they become available, what's the 2nd most economical way to do this - just wait until the 330 days from the last MCO>MEL flight home (given that has an AA leg and the lead time for AA is 330 days) and then I'm only up for one lot of change fees (3500 points + $80 fee pp international service fee) - or is that too risky for availability? Should I just suck it up and book with 2 or 3 lots of changes and pay, or do QF agents sometimes waive them if you have to make multiple changes to add on?

3) I have enough points for Y for all passengers or Y for kids, J for adults, taxes are about $1700 pp on the above itinerary - looking at the Oneworld engine the RTW explorer was about $5800 so not really an option to pay for the kids straight out. Other than the moral dilemma of sticking the kids on their own (?) does 2 x J and 2 x Y typically improve availability? And if I did it this way, would I only have to pay the 3500/$80 for the 2 fares when adding the other flights?

4) Is this the best use of my stopovers on the above itinerary? This has me "stopping" in Frankfurt (where we'll do some of Germany, Belgium, France) and Manchester (Wales, Scotland, UK). However if I enter Europe for example in Frankfurt and depart Manchester but just cover internal flights ourselves, does that only count as one stopover or I need to arrive/depart from the same city (ie. LHR) then I could add an extra one in Europe or the US for example?

Thanks heaps for any thoughts and recommendations .... have certainly learned a lot from this thread.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thinking of one of the "RTW" itineraries for 2 adults, 2 teens (16/14) late next year/early next - ie. Dec/Jan...

MEL>SYD>JNB
JNB>FRA
FRA>MAN
MAN>WAS
WAS>MCO
MCO>MEL

I have a couple of questions..


1. AA and US fly WAS – MCO. Had a quick look on aa.com for award availability for next September and plenty of days have 4 x Y seats available. You’ll probably need to book these by phone.

2. The MEL - JNB legs will be released well before the others so you better book them ASAP. If you wait for your return flights to be released you will miss out so don’t risk that. Just accept that you will have to pay the change fees and factor that into your costings. Don’t expect the QF agent to waive fees for multiple changes – the rules on this are spelled out in B&W.

3. I would definitely book 2 x J if you have enough points – you still pay the 3500 points pp for changes but you won’t have to pay the $80. Be aware that flights like WAS – MCO will have to be in Y even if 2 of you have J tickets. Forget the “moral dilemma” guilt trip – the kids are old enough not to need supervision and they’ll probably enjoy the freedom.

4. You don’t have to depart from the same city you arrive – land legs are permitted and only the city of arrival is counted as a stop-over. The straight line distance between the land leg cities does have to be included in the 56,000km max distance calculation though.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

PE Oneworld Award
I saw a comment on here a few days ago about such a thing but can't find it on the QF site. Is it now available / has anyone heard any rumours that might suggest its in the works?
I can tolerate Y for short legs but I don't have the points for J.
Any help much appreciated.

i believe it was me


Qantas Multi City Flights | Round the world | Stopover | Multiple stops

click on the Flexible with Dates AND click the Search Qantas & Partner Classic Awards which is toward the bottom of the form.
and this will allow you to search out various sectors FOR DATES
i know the 'easy' sectors work eg SYD-LAX-LHR-SYD
once you click "Search Flights" you will be presented with the date screen with Economy but you can drag up all the classes by clicking them, if the message shows up after clicking the button that you need select the classes and you already have, then click it a second time.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

OzziTravellers, one more thing I overlooked in my comments is that I note your final leg is MCO - MEL but, of course, there is no direct flight between them. This means you would need to fly via DFW or LAX (or both) - probably on AA - to get back to Australia. This could pose a problem. Getting 4 QF award seats from LAX or DFW to Oz could be VERY difficult because awards on those flights are hard to come by at the best of times but more so as you are also wanting to travel at the end of the school holidays. Getting these awards from the US back to Oz will be far more difficult than getting SYD - JNB.
Don't want to sound overly pessimistic but I'd be concerned that all your plans might be scuttled on this factor alone. Maybe other AFFers can comment on what they think.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

OzziTravellers, one more thing I overlooked in my comments is that I note your final leg is MCO - MEL but, of course, there is no direct flight between them. This means you would need to fly via DFW or LAX (or both) - probably on AA - to get back to Australia. This could pose a problem. Getting 4 QF award seats from LAX or DFW to Oz could be VERY difficult because awards on those flights are hard to come by at the best of times but more so as you are also wanting to travel at the end of the school holidays. Getting these awards from the US back to Oz will be far more difficult than getting SYD - JNB.
Don't want to sound overly pessimistic but I'd be concerned that all your plans might be scuttled on this factor alone. Maybe other AFFers can comment on what they think.

Hmmm more food for thought, thanks vetrade. Do you think I'd be better to look at coming back a week or so earlier (ie. mid-ish Jan) and work out the earliest date I want to come back and just check availability 355 days out from that date and every day from then on until I got something, or would I be better trying to reverse the trip - coming back from SA perhaps a bit easier?? The outbound leg will not be school holidays, so to US flights maybe easier to come by?

Thanks again....
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Have you got enough spare miles in your trip to come back via HKG or with JL even? Better availability.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hmmm more food for thought, thanks vetrade. Do you think I'd be better to look at coming back a week or so earlier (ie. mid-ish Jan) and work out the earliest date I want to come back and just check availability 355 days out from that date and every day from then on until I got something, or would I be better trying to reverse the trip - coming back from SA perhaps a bit easier?? The outbound leg will not be school holidays, so to US flights maybe easier to come by?

Thanks again....

I think you will struggle to get anything from the US to Oz anytime in January – some people want to have Xmas OS and then return in the New Year and others wait till just before their kids are due back at school at the start of Feb. No matter which direction you do the trip try and avoid times when lots of other people will be wanting to fly those routes. Obviously when QF knows that demand will markedly outstrip supply, they won’t bother releasing award seats because they prefer to get customers who will pay cash (at non discounted rates).

If reversing the trip fits OK with your personal requirements then I’d go that way. If you can lock in the return from the US first then you have the hardest bit over with. I have a OW RTW trip coming up next April/May which is similar to yours in that we are going via JNB and returning from LAX to MEL. I do therefore have some recent personal experience with searching out awards (2 x J) on those flights albeit not around Xmas like you’re trying to get. Still you might find the following hints helpful:

1. I watched availability closely for weeks and found there are some days of the week when no J awards show up even if you are logged on the minute they are supposedly released. Availability from LAX – MEL was only regularly available on Mondays – seemingly demand is less then because business people don’t want to have the start of their working week interrupted by leaving LAX on a Monday and arriving back in MEL on a Wednesday. You do need to be ready to book right on 10.00am though because they can go quickly. I won’t fly Y long haul these days so I can’t comment about what Y availability was.

MEL - LAX flights IME never seemed to reliably have a certain day (like Monday) when availability was regularly available - a case of just pot luck it seems.

2. If you’re prepared to fly LAX – BNE and then connect to MEL your chances are much better – MEL & SYD arrivals are the scarcest so BNE is well worth your investigation.

3. I never had any luck finding J awards on the DFW – SYD flights.

4. Re SYD – JNB – unlike for LAX – MEL (or SYD) I found that award seats didn’t usually all get taken up on the day of release – usually you could still get 2 x J seats 3 to 4 days after release.

5. Finally, maybe consider flying via HKG or NRT between the US and OZ - or vv - as long as you don't risk going over the 56,000km limit. Last year we got award seats from SYD - NRT - DFW - MIA - CUN when nothing was available flying direct from Oz to the USA.
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Have you got enough spare miles in your trip to come back via HKG or with JL even? Better availability.

Good thought - 27k miles for original planned trip - MEL-SYD-JNB-CDG-LHR-MAN-NYC-WAS-MCO-LAX-MEL (although if doing ground legs, do I not need to include NYC>WAS>MCO and just go NYC>MCO for example?

Reverse route using HKG (although the flight time considerably increased) works out around 32k miles (routing MEL-LAX-MCO-WAS-NYC-MAN-CDG-LHR-JNB-HKG-SYD-MEL) -last time we went to JNB had to go via HKG straight through without a stop (as we wanted the stopovers elsewhere) - long trip indeed, but if it's the only way...

Thanks...
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

If reversing the trip fits OK with your personal requirements then I’d go that way.

1. You do need to be ready to book right on 10.00am though because they can go quickly. I won’t fly Y long haul these days so I can’t comment about what Y availability was.

2. If you’re prepared to fly LAX – BNE and then connect to MEL your chances are much better – MEL & SYD arrivals are the scarcest so BNE is well worth your investigation.

5. Finally, maybe consider flying via HKG or NRT between the US and OZ - or vv - as long as you don't risk going over the 56,000km limit. Last year we got award seats from SYD - NRT - DFW - MIA - CUN when nothing was available flying direct from Oz to the USA.

Thanks again.

1) Is that 10am AEST - and 355 days out for QF awards?

2) Happy to fly BNE if necessary to get home (or out)

5) Interesting thought - checked NRT and still fits within the km requirements and flies direct to Orlando also - problem though it's AA so only 330 day lead time - might be worthwhile to investigate MCO>NRT>SYD>MEL as an option for the way home though if we decide to stick with original plan direction.

Thanks...
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thanks again.

1) Is that 10am AEST - and 355 days out for QF awards?

2) Happy to fly BNE if necessary to get home (or out)

5) Interesting thought - checked NRT and still fits within the km requirements and flies direct to Orlando also - problem though it's AA so only 330 day lead time - might be worthwhile to investigate MCO>NRT>SYD>MEL as an option for the way home though if we decide to stick with original plan direction.

Thanks...

1. Flights are released at midnight UTC (Universal Time) which for practical purposes is GMT i.e. usually about 10 hrs behind AEST. Can vary with daylight saving - presently GMT is 11 hrs behind us. QF flights are released at 353 days (not 355). BA is 355, CX - 360, AA - 330, IB - 360. QR is 361 (I think).
 
re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I had a very pleasing phone call to the premium desk earlier today on a booking I've made for a friend.

There was an involuntary schedule change on an existing, ticketed 280k award. I phoned Qantas to sort it out. The options were to travel the following day in J or the day before in Y. Due to other commitments the friend elected to take the day prior Y flight. When I enquired as to whether there would be a partial refund because the original flight was in J, the agent first said that there may be but to determine this taxes on all sectors would have to be reassessed. Then he said he would test it, by pretending it was a voluntary change, waiving the fee and reassessing. He said if the taxes came up higher he'd go back to the involuntary schedule change. As it happened, there was a refund due of $41 that he processed and reissued the ticket.

The agent's proactive and helpful appoach prevented me from asking if I was also due a 3.5k points refund - because Qantas made the change, not me.
 
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re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

1. Flights are released at midnight UTC (Universal Time) which for practical purposes is GMT i.e. usually about 10 hrs behind AEST. Can vary with daylight saving - presently GMT is 11 hrs behind us. QF flights are released at 353 days (not 355). BA is 355, CX - 360, AA - 330, IB - 360. QR is 361 (I think).

For a moment there vetrade, I thought you were going down to the "sub-second" difference between UTC and GMT, but your reference to GMT and daylight saving suggests you are equating GMT with London time. Apology for the off-topic post.
 
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